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windows 7 windows 10 and older computers

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Mutt and Jeff

01-14-2020 02:34:42




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I just read a page on ZDNET that said a few things that could be benificial to those that use a windows computer and particularly those updating older machines

I recently put the old upgraded so many times through it's life box out to pasture and replaced it with a basic $299 HP box from walmart.
I believe that the old box even with windows 10 running crisp had encountered issues perhaps at it's roots level beyond malware virus but embedded BIOS concerns making it vulnerable without hope of sanitizing.

It goes on to tell you that some things you used to do you should not like registry cleaners and tweaks and tricks and on. It talks about fears of spying by windows and as I mentiond the BIOS or basis of the older machines.

My new box boots fast and runs without issue.

just saying
I enjoy computing and the internet. Without problems, manual scans, and workarounds.

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cowranch

01-21-2020 05:05:16




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 Re: windows 7 windows 10 and older computers in reply to Mutt and Jeff, 01-14-2020 02:34:42  
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Lower left hand corner, click start/the window button. Start typing Thunderbird. It should be up to the top, result, if it isn't, then somehow it was uninstalled. Click on it. While it is running, put the mouse over the area on the taskbar/bottom bar where it says thunderbird, press the right mouse button, menu should come up, select pin to taskbar. Now, Thunderbird should be a button on the bottom bar to easily find. That should work for most any program or setting if you can't find it.

Now, go here if you want. http://www.classicshell.net/downloads/Download the first file under "latest" right near the top (english). After download, open it, and just ok/next everything, you shouldn't need to change anything. Now, I forget if the first time it asks you or not, which menu style to select, might even ask about file explorer. But if it doesn't, after it is installed, click the start button again, lower left, start typing Classic Start Menu settings, that should be the result, select it. Start menu style-tab, select the style you want, and you can customize other things in the other tabs.





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Roy Suomi

01-20-2020 09:12:52




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 Re: windows 7 windows 10 and older computers in reply to Mutt and Jeff, 01-14-2020 02:34:42  
I am so fed up with Windows 10 , I could scream... My email stops when ever it feels like.. So my BIL installed Thunderbird Mozilla for email.... Now it's gone.. Can't find it to save my hide.. I'm going to check into a Mac computer.. There was nothing really wrong with Windows 7 , just 10 is better.... Yeah , Right.



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spacecadet9

01-14-2020 10:26:12




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 Re: windows 7 windows 10 and older computers in reply to Mutt and Jeff, 01-14-2020 02:34:42  
MarkB, I have to agree with cowranch on the use of Mint Linux. For an inexperienced user Mint has the proprietary drivers and codecs included and makes it function with out having to find, download, and install extras. Remember there are some users out there that still believe the optical drive drawer is a cup holder, and a thumb drive is something used on your thumb to tighten/loosen a nut. I'll admit I haven't used Fedora for a number of years and I'm sure it has gotten easier to get up and running with all the features the end user is use to.

For the user that complains about 'updates' to Windows, wait until they get the daily updates with any current variety of Linux.
I do suggest that if the user is capable of burning the disc they try a live version just to see if it will pickup the hardware correctly and run.

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cowranch

01-14-2020 10:18:22




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 Re: windows 7 windows 10 and older computers in reply to Mutt and Jeff, 01-14-2020 02:34:42  
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Personal use, I use something different too. I was just thinking about ~some that would think about trying it out, probably wouldn't know what a repository is, or that they would need to enable one in order for certain things to work (or work better). Pretty simple to add/change stuff, but not so if you don't know what it is (starting out), and might need tinkering for some of those basic things.

I started with Mandrake a bit over 20 years ago. I had poor performing and capped dialup and it wasn't really that practical at the time. When I got satellite internet in '05, I had a 7.5 gig cap, so I paid a couple dollars to a company that downloaded, burned and mailed disks to try a few (instead of downloading, due to the cap, during trials I managed to budget in a couple downloads here and there). Ran Gentoo initially, not for long. Mandriva, then PCLinuxOS a couple years (and Fedora a bit). Then 'buntu mailed free disks, saving the download for version upgrades, so I gravitated toward Kubuntu. I'm kinda liking Arch stuff, Manjaro is decent, but generally I'll install 'buntu, then after a couple months I'll switch to pre-release. Now that I have unlimited home internet on Verizon Wireless, thinking about OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, which I've briefly looked at.

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John M

01-14-2020 07:09:00




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 Re: windows 7 windows 10 and older computers in reply to Mutt and Jeff, 01-14-2020 02:34:42  
We had so many problems with 10 as an update. Put them back to factory and got Macs. (I have had a MacBooks for years for myself.) Here at work, all our systems are already on 10 from the factory, and other than IT screwing up sometimes it works flawlesly



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cowranch

01-14-2020 06:38:47




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 Re: windows 7 windows 10 and older computers in reply to Mutt and Jeff, 01-14-2020 02:34:42  
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Fedora is very good, but Mint is ~possibly better for a beginner, with the same interface. Mint includes more support for things like graphic drivers, video and audio file playback, wireless drivers, movie disk playback, etc. It's a bit more user friendly to start with, usually, without as much tinkering to set that kind of stuff up.

https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3832

Zorin is another that is "easy".

https://zorinos.com/

You can also install Android.

https://blissroms.com/

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MarkB_MI

01-14-2020 07:25:05




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 Re: windows 7 windows 10 and older computers in reply to cowranch, 01-14-2020 06:38:47  
Yes, Mint is a good choice, too. I've dabbled with it a bit, but I came back to Fedora. After 20 years using Red Hat and Fedora, I'm just more comfortable with RPM-based distributions. Yes, Fedora is lacking a number of codecs you need (because of licensing issues), but these are all on the RPMFusion repository. There are plenty of instructions online for enabling RPMFusion and installing the codecs. This is a one-time step you have to do on a fresh install. Once I have Fedora all set up, it requires almost no maintenance; I just run dnf daily to install the latest patches. Once a year I upgrade to the latest Fedora version either using dnf or running a fresh install.

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MarkB_MI

01-14-2020 04:18:56




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 Re: windows 7 windows 10 and older computers in reply to Mutt and Jeff, 01-14-2020 02:34:42  
Replacing Windows with Linux can breathe new life into an old computer. Maybe not worth bothering on an old desktop, but it beats throwing away a working laptop. My preferred version is Fedora using the Cinnamon desktop. It retains the "Windows 95" interface that folks are used to.



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Mutt and Jeff

01-14-2020 04:54:40




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 Re: windows 7 windows 10 and older computers in reply to MarkB_MI, 01-14-2020 04:18:56  
I find that with practice,
every update and reinstall along the way can be reset to resemble the (MY) simple windows experience

It takes some time but stopping and uninstalling those included ticking timebomb pay to retain offerings (win office, antivirus mcafee or norton, and the like) adjusting and structuring my other browser, and cleaning up my start screen easier for me each time.

Cortana is the first to go followed by installing chrome. As soon as I log into chrome it knows me and that becomes normal.

the bit's and pieces of windows itself get adjusted and "tuned away" in due time.

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woodbutcher

01-14-2020 05:15:05




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 Re: windows 7 windows 10 and older computers in reply to Mutt and Jeff, 01-14-2020 04:54:40  
I recently switched my old PC from Windows7 to 10, so I'm still learning my way around the new (to me) OS. It seems to manage my connection better than Win7 did.

Butch



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