Could use some feedback

Lanse · Jul 16, 2012

Morning everyone!!

So, I havent been taking on many projects lately. Im looking for content for my videos, and of course, something I can something ($$) on... Things are a little slow around here, so Ive done some thinking and here are a few things Im planning on making in the (very) near future. I just thought if anyone has a minute, maybe you could could give me a little feedback on the sell-ability of these things and if you were in the market for them, what you would be willing to pay for one. It would greatly help me out in my efforts...

Alright, the first thing. This was suggested to me by someone who's seen my projects like a year or so ago and I never got to it lol. Basically, not too much to say here, just a steel box with a mesh floor and sides. One side folds down and the entire box pivots on its hitch mount. These are mass produced, but they arent very common, Ive never seen one in person.

Here is the second thing... A log arch!! I know that Dave2 suggested this, and I know I can build these fairly cheap (salvage steel, etc) if I can sell them. I know there are a few people who do their own firewood here, but this part of Ohio is flat and open, mostly fields... Could still be a cool project tho:

And this is number three... Not something I'd build to make money on, but something I can really use around the shop. Mine won't fold up, however... I borrowed one of these from a buddy of mine and although I only had it for like a week, I wondered how I ever got along without it. Just thought Id share what my next project will be

Hope everyone having a good monday!! Any and all feedback will be greatly appreciated...

P.S... HotflashJR, I sent you an email, Gordo, please send me one...

Anonymous-0 · Jul 16, 2012

I'd concentrate my efforts on the 1st idea, a little of the second, and none of the third (unless for you alone to use because of liability)..

I'd skip the built on sides of the first one and make them drop/pin in like I suggested before and include drop in uprights (to stack/haul lengths of firewoon/boards, fence posts, etc. You'll have a tool that everyone can get a lifetime of use out of. Measure/position the lower arm points so that you can put in double head pins for either catI or catII. Maybe think about castors on the bottom but on a request basis (could be a hassle for some folks). Try to keep a good balance between strength and weight cause your customers ain't gonna be 19 :roll:

Have fun

Chip812 · Jul 16, 2012

If you could make a combination of these two, I think that would be awesome!

Anonymous-0 · Jul 16, 2012

(quoted from post at 08:05:54 07/16/12) If you could make a combination of these two, I think that would be awesome!

exactly.... add a drop pin hitch and a couple hooks for chains and it'd be handy as heck..

rick1 · Jul 16, 2012

i built a log arch like that one a couple months ago im in eastern ohio around cambridge area alot of hills around here .i can drve down a deep hollow and haul out a 16 ft log with a 2ft diameter usng a mf-35 and never spin a wheel they work rerally great
RICK

rick1 · Jul 16, 2012

if you want to see a picture of it type in log arch up ikn the right hand corner of main page and click on the first log arch that comes up.
RICK

Dusty MI · Jul 16, 2012

I have one of the engine hoist/crane's that fold up for easier storage, but mine is different in that the extended legs are adjustable in width, which is nice.

Dusty

Duner Wi · Jul 16, 2012

Do a search for images for Ferguson T-JO-20 +tote, carry all, box , has more names still.

sflem849 · Jul 16, 2012

The first one is dumb. The concept it there, but anything that is so big and heavy to haul that you need the carrier would be too big and heavy to lift up that high. Pallet forks with a ram that could dump would save your back a lot more.

The second one is ok, but the guys are on to something with the 3 pt reciever etc.

The third there is no point IMO. Yeah, you could do it. Yeah, it would be handy. But for $219 down to $180 with a coupon you might as well just buy one. The HF ones are just fine, I have used one. Don't make/buy one with straight out legs. They aren't as nice. You will end up liking the fold up option.

JRSutton · Jul 16, 2012

If you're looking to make money selling the end product - engine hoists are kind of dime-a-dozen stuff on craigslist.

Green Porsche · Jul 16, 2012

Hey Lanse,

You can pencil me in for the first idea. Since I'm only about 25 to 30 miles away from you, I won't have to worry about having it shipped. Let me know..

Thanks Mike

Anonymous-0 · Jul 16, 2012

Maybe gear toward something like this and make a "bed" to latch in place. The link is in German, but you can scroll down and get an idea of the measurements.

http://www.google.de/imgres?q=heckc...7&ndsp=26&ved=1t:429,r:10,s:138,i:191

Hotflashjr · Jul 16, 2012

I checked my junk mail, nada. Give it another shot and I will check again tonight and tomorrow morning.

Anonymous-0 · Jul 16, 2012

Lanse, I applaude your determination & skills!

Being young, you probably think nothing bad will happen to you.

If you are going to fabricate, repair, produce, manufacture or modify ANYTHING for $$$$$, PLEASE inquire about getting liability insurance that covers products and completed operations.

Sadly, in today's world, there are too many people who will run to a lawyer when injured by use of a product or a product failure. ....It doesn't even have to be through any fault of yours! ....Even if you are totally without liability, the cost to defend yourself when named in a lawsuit can be overwhelming.

You may think a customer would never do that, but you could be sadly mistaken.

I am not an insurance agent, and I hate paying for insurance myself, but it is a necessity in today's business world.

Tim(nj) · Jul 16, 2012

One thing people seem to fall all over 'here' is a forklift mast with side-shift that has been converted to three point. Start looking for a few junk forklifts to get the masts . . . .

GordoSD · Jul 16, 2012

your email is closed.

Anonymous-0 · Jul 16, 2012

best feedback I can give you is to post smaller pictures, so's I don't
have to scroll right!

Loosehandle · Jul 16, 2012

Find something thats not being made in china....

Anonymous-0 · Jul 17, 2012

Lanse I thought you were looking into welding
schools? Sadly, none of the items you posted would
sell enough to be worthwhile making unless you
already had a buyer. Engine cranes are like
trailers. You couldn't build one anywhere close to
what you could buy one for. Some are very flimsy
and some are much better built though.

I think you have the right idea looking into a
good welding school and that will be a huge
advantage in helping you find a job in a welding
shop. You need to consider that in the near future
you're going to be having a lot more expenses
since finishing High school. If you have people
who want small projects built, you can do that as
a hobby but if you want to make a living welding
things, you need to get a job in a welding
shop/field or take steps to get there. You will
learn a lot more and gain valuable experience
working in a shop with experienced trades people.
Once you get a few years experience, then you
could look into opening your own shop.

Anonymous-0 · Jul 17, 2012

(quoted from post at 13:57:37 07/16/12) Lanse, I applaude your determination & skills!

Being young, you probably think nothing bad will happen to you.

If you are going to fabricate, repair, produce, manufacture or modify ANYTHING for $$$$$, PLEASE inquire about getting liability insurance that covers products and completed operations.

Sadly, in today's world, there are too many people who will run to a lawyer when injured by use of a product or a product failure. ....It doesn't even have to be through any fault of yours! ....Even if you are totally without liability, the cost to defend yourself when named in a lawsuit can be overwhelming.

You may think a customer would never do that, but you could be sadly mistaken.

I am not an insurance agent, and I hate paying for insurance myself, but it is a necessity in today's business world.

That's some real good advise right there Lanse... To prove the point, step down into tractor tales and look at one of your famous adviser's response to the deadly accident thread. You should have some kind of coverage already just because you have buddies hanging around your place. Strange how doin sumpin stupid and gettin hurt at someone else's place can put dollar signs in the idiots eyes.....

baghdadchud · Jul 17, 2012

Get your pipeline certification. We are drilling,
pumping and building lines everywhere in Kurdistan
not to mention in the States. Look into getting
underwater cert also. You only work a few months
out of the year and start at close to 6 figures
depending on the contract. Wish I would have looked
into it years ago.

BFO · Jul 17, 2012

I think you are putting the cart before the horse. Get a job first, get journeyman status, learn how things are done in real shops, then make a decsion. Not to say you couldn't do small odd jobs, but you need some experience first. This will take years.

Gambles · Jul 17, 2012

I've got the identical cherry picker out in my shed. Yea, I don't know how a guy could get along without it. Anyway, I wouldn't bother trying to make one, unless you are just picking up the experience and have all the parts needed. The individual costs will triple what you can buy one for.

flambeauone · Jul 17, 2012

I agree with everyone else that has said, get in a welding
school or start an apprenticeship. When your making money
welding on a job with benefits and a decent wage you wont
have to find little projects to make a few bucks. Make us
some videos of the pipelines your working on or at different
or remote sites rarely seen unless your working there. Not
tryin to preach,but you have alot of talent. The sooner you
apply that toward a career the better. As others have said six
figure incomes arent uncommon at all.

sflem849 · Jul 17, 2012

(quoted from post at 18:13:51 07/16/12) best feedback I can give you is to post smaller pictures, so's I don't
have to scroll right!

Too much work.

(quoted from post at 04:54:36 07/17/12) I've got the identical cherry picker out in my shed. Yea, I don't know how a guy could get along without it. Anyway, I wouldn't bother trying to make one, unless you are just picking up the experience and have all the parts needed. The individual costs will triple what you can buy one for.

I didn't post the price of just the ram. IIRC it is like $65.

sflem849 · Jul 17, 2012

(quoted from post at 00:17:45 07/17/12)

(quoted from post at 13:57:37 07/16/12) Lanse, I applaude your determination & skills!

Being young, you probably think nothing bad will happen to you.

If you are going to fabricate, repair, produce, manufacture or modify ANYTHING for $$$$$, PLEASE inquire about getting liability insurance that covers products and completed operations.

Sadly, in today's world, there are too many people who will run to a lawyer when injured by use of a product or a product failure. ....It doesn't even have to be through any fault of yours! ....Even if you are totally without liability, the cost to defend yourself when named in a lawsuit can be overwhelming.

You may think a customer would never do that, but you could be sadly mistaken.

I am not an insurance agent, and I hate paying for insurance myself, but it is a necessity in today's business world.

Click to expand...

That's some real good advise right there Lanse... To prove the point, step down into tractor tales and look at one of your famous adviser's response to the deadly accident thread. You should have some kind of coverage already just because you have buddies hanging around your place. Strange how doin sumpin stupid and gettin hurt at someone else's place can put dollar signs in the idiots eyes.....

http://ytforums.ytmag.com/viewtopic.php?t=921226

Lanse · Jul 17, 2012

I sent you an email, Mike!! Did it go through?

Lanse · Jul 17, 2012

I tired sending you an email, but got this:

"Email Error 1. Please contact us and we will explain how to make sure it does not happen"

Thats it, I'm done with this site's email.

Please feel free to email me at: [email protected]

Sorry about the inconvenience... :/

Lanse · Jul 17, 2012

"It appears the email address you entered contains additional or invalid data. Please use an email address in the form of [email protected]. Press the back arrow on your browser and re-enter."

Thats it, forget this site's email.

If you wouldn't mind, please shoot me an email at: [email protected]

Sorry about the inconvenience...

orionsrx · Jul 17, 2012

Lanse, I love the first idea, it is exactly what I am looking for! When my youngest Son was 10, I gave him a 52 Allis Chalmers WD which he loved. He is now 16 and in a wheelchair. I've been wanting a platform like this so that we can wheel him onto it, strap the chair down and take him around on His tractor. I'd be your first customer on this.

Lanse · Jul 17, 2012

Thats awesome, Id be glad to help.

Where are you located? Feel free to email me, my address is:

[email protected]

Jim from Pa · Jul 17, 2012

The best thing for you would be to go to school and get certifications. Then get a job earning a wage and gaining real world experience. Save your money and when the time is right start your own business doing general welding & mobil repairs earning real money. You have a lot of ambition and are seeking your way in life but chasing around a losing proposition will only set you back in valuable time and render you very little experience. You can't compete with items that are massed produced. Massed produced products are done so in an efficient manner that you simply can not match and the profit per product is not there. These people make their money based on volume and efficiency. You will never get there on a small scale and do not have the money or experience yet to play. Production costs, Marketing, and Insurance will leave you little for your time. There are a lot of people on this board that wan't to see you succeed and I am one of them. These kind of projects are ok as a supliment to welding repair business but not as a stand alone for profit.

Anonymous-0 · Jul 17, 2012

I've been welding since 1955 when I graduated from aggie college and have made/assembled a lot different things for different companies. I've made the most money on making lots of small things like assembling fire extinguiser holders (about 30,000) vs big things like gravel screeners. I made 10 for a small company. I also built carwash machinery (hundreds of feet of conveyor) plus frames to hold brushes, etc. Any time you can jig up to make lots of anything you'll make out better. BTW, I'm still trying to develop ideas to manufacture a product. I'll be 77 in a couple months.

Anonymous-0 · Jul 17, 2012

That post had nothing to do with money. It had to
do with responsibility. There wasn't a lot of
information in the post other than it appeared to
be a faulty weld. If a faulty weld from the
factory caused someone to be killed, you can be
darn sure that most people would be investigating
what happened and be talking to a lawyer if it
appeared to be a flaw in materials or workmanship.
That's why you carry liability insurance. If it
was a repair done by someone without enough
experience I don't think falls into the simple
category of an accident. I'm thinking along the
same lines as Puddles, and other's who agreed with
him, that the buying a welding machine and jumping
into a project without enough experience is
potentially dangerous. The same as if someones
homemade trailer flew apart on the highway and
killed someone. It is a tragedy that someone was
killed but perhaps some quality control may have
prevented it.

Puddles · Jul 18, 2012

Product liability is a[b:5270146fea][u:5270146fea] huge[/u:5270146fea][/b:5270146fea] issue! Some of the projects Lanse does makes me raise an eyebrow. But hopefully in his community people are not so sue happy! I'm not sure Lanse can even get insurance. At his age, and experience level, I don't think Bill Gates could afford the premiums!

I just turned down a project a few weeks ago. Wife's nephew works for a custom house builder. He called and wanted to drop off some blue prints, so I could cut out, and make some structural brackets for a custom home. I wouldn't even talk to the kid. Told her to tell him, go to a welding shop. When the risk out weighs the profit, I won't even look at the prints! [u:5270146fea][/u:5270146fea]

Kenneth R Ohnstad · Jul 20, 2012

How about something like that log arch to move/sell boulders for the landscapers?
good luck
K

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