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Valve Guides on G176

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sdj02

04-16-2018 11:31:03




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I am in the process of repairing my Massey 165 with the Continental G176. The valves are bad and the valve guides are loose. The machine shops around here are pretty high. I was wondering if replacing the valve guides and lapping the valves is really that hard. Can anyone shed any light on the job before me? I have done lots of engine work over the years, just have never messed with head repair. Any information is appreciated.

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sdj02

04-18-2018 05:10:50




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 Re: Valve Guides on G176 in reply to sdj02, 04-16-2018 11:31:03  
Thanks for all the info. My valve train kit is on the way. $150 for new valves, springs, retainers, and guides. I found another shop that will put the kit in for around $200. Much better than the $400 I was quoted by a different shop.



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MikeJM

04-18-2018 04:53:12




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 Re: Valve Guides on G176 in reply to sdj02, 04-16-2018 11:31:03  
How much is the shop going to charge you?
Your going to have about $250 in the valve train part, valves, guides, springs and keepers.
A good shop in my area will have 2 to 3 billible hours in a head like that providing there’s no other issues with it. (cracks)

Its a bit more complicated that throwing new parts in it, if the valves don’t seal then the engine won’t run well. I have our 165 apart with the same issue, guides and most likely valves are shot.

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gab

04-17-2018 20:38:34




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 Re: Valve Guides on G176 in reply to sdj02, 04-16-2018 11:31:03  
Probably not hard at all if you own a seat grinder and know how to use it. Machine shop sounds pretty reasonable to me.



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David G

04-17-2018 08:28:41




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 Re: Valve Guides on G176 in reply to sdj02, 04-16-2018 11:31:03  
My personal view is that valves should be ground, seats should be ground or cut, then lapped together if desired.

There is no way I would plan to replace guides, then just lap.



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Den N Ms

04-16-2018 19:33:37




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 Re: Valve Guides on G176 in reply to sdj02, 04-16-2018 11:31:03  
Sdj02,The job requires quite a few pieces of specialized tooling and tools to replace guides and grind the seats properly and replace valves.Let the pros do it as they have the tools.



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David G

04-16-2018 17:35:42




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 Re: Valve Guides on G176 in reply to sdj02, 04-16-2018 11:31:03  
What is pretty high?

I do not think it is a job for the newbie.



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Mike(NEOhio)

04-16-2018 16:47:43




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 Re: Valve Guides on G176 in reply to sdj02, 04-16-2018 11:31:03  
Check the wear on the valves. They may be out of spec even with new guides.



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Steve@Advance

04-16-2018 16:15:51




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 Re: Valve Guides on G176 in reply to sdj02, 04-16-2018 11:31:03  
I would not try replacing guides and just lapping the seats.

They would need to be ground to get a proper seal.

You could try, put some blue on them, watch the pattern. Nothing to loose if you are comfortable replacing the guides.



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