Removing Perkins 152 Cylinder Sleeves (Super Dexta)

Hi all. I'm new to this site - I found it because I am going through a rebuild on our Ford Super Dexta tractor. The tractor has the 152 Perkins in it. We are rebuilding because it dropped the #3 sleeve into the oil pan.
Right now we have the tractor apart and the engine on an engine stand. I have been looking around this site for a while now, and have found a lot of good information on these sleeves. Last night we took the pistons out, and the rod bearings didn't look so good, so I'm not expecting much from the mains. So it's a complete rebuild this time. Since it's a complete rebuild, I would also like to replace the other two liners. But I still have a couple of questions:

-When I go to install the new liners, how much force will actually be required? I have read a couple of accounts, and they varied from "you can spin them by hand when they are in" to "they should slide in halfway, then you need to pull them". Which is right?

-I plan on purchasing the parts from this site. From those who have experience, do the new liners come bored to the correct size, or is a trip the machine shop in order? If bored, I assume they need a finish hone?

-Is it acceptable to freeze the liners before installing them? I have heard two thoughts on this. Also, should I warm the block as well?

-Do I need to use any locktite, or anything else to secure the sleeve in the cylinder?

-What are my options for the cylinder that dropped the sleeve if the new sleeve is loose?

-I plan to clean the bore, but do I need to hone it before installing the new sleeve?


Sorry for so many questions, but these are the ones that I either haven't answered yet, or just want to double check. Thank you in advance for any information.


Ryan

i have never worked on a dexta motor, but have done sleeves on i-h tractors. if you have wet sleeves, there is an o-ring at the base of the sleeve in the block. dunk them in dish soap, install o ring and then push the sleeve in. if they are dry sleeves, the overhaul kit will have the sleeves matched to the pistons, mark them and keep em together. if there is a lip on top of the sleeve, check to see if it will stick up to high once installed, if so, a machine shop will need to deck the top of the sleeves to size them. clean the bores of the block but i dont hone them, you may take too much material off and the sleeve will be loose. put the sleeves in the freezer overnight, then spray a light coat of kerosene in the bore, drop the sleeve in and use a hardwood block if necessary to drive the seat all the way in. if the sleeve is a tad loose, locktite makes a sleeve retaining compound. generally the sleeves are already honed, no further honing is necessary. new liners come all finished and ready to install.

(quoted from post at 08:30:54 09/23/08) if they are dry sleeves

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Thanks for the response.
They are indeed dry sleeves, and according to the book they are an interference fit (.002-.004), so I can't quite understand why some texts say that you should be able to spin them once installed.
I will look for that locktite, because I may need it for the #3 cylinder (the one that dropped).

I have installed alot of dry sleeves over the years and the easiest way to install them that I have found is to use dry ice to freeze the sleeves.A freezer won't hardly get'em cold enough.After a couple of hours in dry ice when you drop'em in they will go alomost all the way in and it is easy to seat them with a block of hardwood and a deadblow hammer.CAUTION;handle dry ice and parts with heavy gloves to prevent frostbite!

We did a 3-152 gas when I taught mechanics. A tipical Perkins sleeve is very tight. On a 354 Perkins the Popular 17 ton OTC puller has a load. Do a little checking. Perkins has some 30 over pistons for a lot of their engines and they suggest you bore the sleeves the first time. Have you miked the #3 hole. A flange should hold it at the top. In a related matter a friend of mine traded in a 354 with a coolant leak. He had a repair sleeve put in the block and it machined to fit the regular sleeve. That may be a method of repair for you as well. J.

Amarillo Doug has given you the correct advice.Dry ice is the trick.But don't just drop the new sleeves in as you will break the top lip off and ruin the sleeve.

"I can't quite understand why some texts say that you should be able to spin them once installed."

Put simply, there is a lot of garbage service info out there.