C301 crank and rods needed

bc

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Hello guys. Got referred here from the farmall forum. Have a 2606 backhoe with c221 sleeveless that you can't get firecrater pistons for anymore. Just ordered some made by Egge machine for 1800 bux. Then it was suggested I can get a 301 crank, rods, and pistons.

New pistons and rings can be ordered from reliance by the local machine shop or I can order them. I found a local junkyard here in Kansas that has used rods for 25 bux each. They have a couple cranks but want 650 bux but then it would cost me another 60 to polish and 200 to regrind if needed. That would get me close to 1800 again. But going from 221 to 301 ought to pick me up a few more horses.

Found tractor parts asap online that listed a reman crank for 500 but it is not in stock.

My original pistons were rusted in and the block has already been bored 60 thousands over and pistons were ordered in that size but there is a 10 week wait.

So if anyone here can help me find some parts I would appreciate it. Going up to Abilene machine tomorrow to pick up a new 17 gpm hydraulic pump so I will see what they have. Thanks
 
I would just look for a 301 in a combine
503. You can bore your block and put in 4"
Chevy pistons. With a sleeve. Get high
compression ones with a dome. Or order 282
pistons and sleeves for your block. At
this sight. Just to the left. I did a
couple of yrs ago and they were about 550.
I think you will have to bore your block.
Just worked on one that had 4.2 pistons
and.a 1/2 stroke over a 301. We think has
150 hp.
 
I would just look for a 301 in a combine
503. You can bore your block and put in 4"
Chevy pistons. With a sleeve. Get high
compression ones with a dome. Or order 282
pistons and sleeves for your block. At
this sight. Just to the left. I did a
couple of yrs ago and they were about 550.
I think you will have to bore your block.
Just worked on one that had 4.2 pistons
and.a 1/2 stroke over a 301. We think has
150 hp.
 
(quoted from post at 19:14:50 09/22/20) I would just look for a 301 in a combine
503. You can bore your block and put in 4"
Chevy pistons. With a sleeve. Get high
compression ones with a dome. Or order 282
pistons and sleeves for your block. At
this sight. Just to the left. I did a
couple of yrs ago and they were about 550.
I think you will have to bore your block.
Just worked on one that had 4.2 pistons
and.a 1/2 stroke over a 301. We think has
150 hp.

I guess with my c221 rods and then pistons from Reliance that the shop would order, I'm down to finding a crank. There are some around but I may be looking at 900 bux max and may get down to around 500 depending upon machining. Will know more tomorrow. May not be saving much money with that but would have a better engine when done.

The shop works on more chevy blocks than anything. I'm not sure what you mean by a 1/2 stroke? Will my crank and rods work with 4.2" or 4" pistons? I'm not sure where the compression height and ratio will be affected here. Thanks.
 
The 301 also came the 715 combine or 806 or 856 tractors. Where you from I have 2 complete 301s out of combines sitting here, not shure I want to sell but could possibly be persuaded.
 

Thanks. I'm in central Kansas but I've already spend 700 bux to rebuild the head and they have already cleaned up the block waiting for the .060 oversize pistons waiting to be made (another 9 weeks or so out) or else come up with a crank and then they will bore it on out. Since I sitting here half rebuilt then I may as well be all the way rebuilt. It should then outlast me maybe. As soon as I get a crank, I can cancel my piston order. I have some negotiating to do on price then I can get one.
 
Yes. But you will need to measure your old
pistons compression height. Doubt can
find a Ford or Chevy piston that tall from
pin to top. But with a longer stroke is
easy. Wrong nothing is ever easy, but can
be figured out.
 
Lee460 comment is correct. 460,560,660,706,& 806 gas rods are same. Some have larger piston pin bore. Find a good 560 crank cheap, bore the block to 3.8125 and you have a 301 ci.
 
Hey guys: Keep in mine he is rebuilding a backhoe not building a puller. My thinking is the cheapest and easiest way out, short of a used running engine would be a c263,c291,c301 crank and stock c301 pistons. My 2 cents. {about all mine is worth} lol
 
(quoted from post at 19:18:15 09/22/20) The 301 also came the 715 combine or 806 or 856 tractors. Where you from I have 2 complete 301s out of combines sitting here, not shure I want to sell but could possibly be persuaded.

Hey Whiskey Bent, I can use a carburetor from a 715 carburetor, if you have one and are so inclined to sell one.
 
OK guys. I'm in business. Got a crank from Abilene Machine yesterday with a .010/.010 regrind for 550 bux. Traded in the old one from the C221 to avoid the 100 buck core charge. Called around and the going price seemed to be about 650 for a used crank of unknown condition. Both Abilene and my machine shop get 200 bux for a regrind as well. Tractor asap showed they had a reman for 500 but I think that was just a teaser ad cause they didn't have one. One place in Michigan had a few regrinds from around 470 and up with another 109 in shipping. Saw a used one in Maine for 200 but I'm happy with what I got and Abilene Machine is only a 45 minute drive from here. That is a big place.

Since I just bot a 17 gpm pump for 340, a clutch kit for 345, and buying the overhaul kit with the 301 pistons for 685, they gave me the crank for the 550.

Got a grand in rebuilding the head and resurfacing the manifold and flywheel. Will find out what the boring and putting the block back together will cost. I need to go find a money tree real quick.

Thanks for all the help. Going to a 301 is much better than spending the 1800 to make new pistons.
 
Good deal. I feel you are doing the right thing. You will have a
nice and clean rebuild without a bunch of custom parts for
owners in the future to deal with. Price still seems high but it
always does😀👍
 

Now I get to look at the forward/reverser gears and finish my 65,000 paint job. The kind where it will look like a new one when you are driving down the highway at 65 mph and see the tractor sitting a thousand feet away. Definitely won't be taking it to a tractor show.
 

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