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Oliver 770 - Year built needed

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akanorm_22

11-05-2023 19:06:07




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Hello - I have a 770 Oliver tractor. Per the Oliver Corp. plate, the model # is listed as 347-11005 & the Serial # is listed as 195211-021. All my research states the last serial # generated was 193365 in 1967. How can my serial # be higher than the last one made? Any help on a year of my Oliver? Thanks!




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scootergmc

11-08-2023 21:31:24




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 Re: Oliver 770 - Year built needed in reply to akanorm_22, 11-05-2023 19:06:07  
I just found my HPOC magazine with the 770 feature. The numbers were different in there. Guess someone must've gone through the build cards at some point.



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John Schoenauer

11-08-2023 16:56:10




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 Re: Oliver 770 - Year built needed in reply to akanorm_22, 11-05-2023 19:06:07  
There was a picture of the serial plate. I hope that when the guy buys the tractor he gets a build card and reports back.

I have Lloyds list but didn't think to look at it, I thinks Lloyds list is more complete on some MM things. I had a former employee give me a list of tranny codes and some other identification information that I use.



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scootergmc

11-07-2023 20:30:10




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 Re: Oliver 770 - Year built needed in reply to akanorm_22, 11-05-2023 19:06:07  
Thanks for the update. I'll quit racking my brain. My lists are what Lloyd McCray put together so it's safe to say his list is not exhaustive. I'm assuming someone found a build card for this?


Or do updated lists exist somewhere? This post was edited by scootergmc on 11/07/2023 at 08:31 pm.



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John Schoenauer

11-07-2023 19:39:32




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 Re: Oliver 770 - Year built needed in reply to akanorm_22, 11-05-2023 19:06:07  
This was also on the Oliver and White Facebook page and the tractor is a 770 tractor the 10th from the last one built. They also said that some of those late 770's had some 1550 parts.



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scootergmc

11-07-2023 19:28:10




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 Re: Oliver 770 - Year built needed in reply to akanorm_22, 11-05-2023 19:06:07  
John-
I don't have a 2-62 serial number list (I think they're all incorporated in the 1550 numbers), but I do have notes which include this old Olivergang thread and pay attention to F.S. Weekes' posts: Link

Now what we know is that both the tractor here and in that thread have the same model number prefix (347). The serial number dates both to 1967. It somewhat makes sense that if the final 770 tractor (SN 193365) production ended using the model number prefix of 247 it stands to reason the rest of the 770 units became power paks. Also during the same period, Oliver had a power pak advertisement which showed both 770 and 1550 power paks, and we know they were used by more than a few companies. That ad is in a recent Oliver Heritage or HPOCA issue which featured industrials. So at this point I'm at a loss without more pictures, but I think it stands to reason that when Oliver discontinued the tractor in '67, they used the remaining 770 parts on power paks using the next model number, 347.
As to the transmission codes on the 770, I too have read previous posts that say the three digit transmission codes should start with a 7, but I've seen plenty of 770 tags with 0 in the first position, including late 247 model number serial tags.

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John Schoenauer

11-07-2023 16:06:13




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 Re: Oliver 770 - Year built needed in reply to akanorm_22, 11-05-2023 19:06:07  
J, the original poster listed his serial number as 195211-021. In the list I have all 770 tractors have a 3 digit transmission code that starts with a 7 followed by two other numbers. My list has 721 as Regular speed, direct drive, row crop or wheatland.
As I have said there is a lot of conflicting information out there and I know yours is collected from your time as a mechanic.



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John Schoenauer

11-07-2023 09:50:12




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 Re: Oliver 770 - Year built needed in reply to akanorm_22, 11-05-2023 19:06:07  
Thanks J, you must have a different transmission code list.



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J. Schwiebert

11-07-2023 11:33:05




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 Re: Oliver 770 - Year built needed in reply to John Schoenauer, 11-07-2023 09:50:12  
The 021 code list is for a tractor that was built with a power booster.



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John Schoenauer

11-07-2023 09:48:57




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 Re: Oliver 770 - Year built needed in reply to akanorm_22, 11-05-2023 19:06:07  
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Scootergmc when we re the 2-62 s made? Does the serial number listed match that model?



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scootergmc

11-07-2023 07:29:13




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 Re: Oliver 770 - Year built needed in reply to akanorm_22, 11-05-2023 19:06:07  
Lull, Harlo, Ware, etc. That's why I think it's a 2-62 variation of some sort.



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Tramway Guy

11-07-2023 01:24:21




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 Re: Oliver 770 - Year built needed in reply to akanorm_22, 11-05-2023 19:06:07  
Maybe a power-pak, like used in a Lull Forklift?



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John Schoenauer

11-06-2023 17:33:39




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 Re: Oliver 770 - Year built needed in reply to akanorm_22, 11-05-2023 19:06:07  
Are you sure the specification number is 347 and not 247? I can not find 347 on any of my model lists. 247 is used on the late 770 probably those built after 1963. The serial number was used in 1967 and remember that serial numbers are not tied to the tractor model. Could there have been a run of special built tractors to use up leftover parts? I can't find a 021 transmission code for any Oliver tractor. The Super 77 and 770 transmission codes should start with a 7.
I would recommend getting a build card since this tractor is not in the normal range of numbers.

The most consistent fact I have found when trying to research Oliver tractors is we do not know much.

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J. Schwiebert

11-07-2023 08:53:08




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 Re: Oliver 770 - Year built needed in reply to John Schoenauer, 11-06-2023 17:33:39  
C-21 is listed as good number for a transmission code for both a 770 rowcrop and wheatland model.



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scootergmc

11-06-2023 16:14:31




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 Re: Oliver 770 - Year built needed in reply to akanorm_22, 11-05-2023 19:06:07  
That block spanned the late 770 through the 1550/55, according to you.



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scootergmc

11-06-2023 14:04:38




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 Re: Oliver 770 - Year built needed in reply to akanorm_22, 11-05-2023 19:06:07  
I don't think you have a 770. I think you have something similar but different, maybe a 2-62 or something like that, or a hodepodge of parts that was put together over the years. That serial number could've been one of many models, but the 347 prefix model/spec number makes me think industrial of some sort. Can you post pictures or different numbers, say casting number off the engine, etc.?
Is the casting number of the engine 160918A?

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used red MN

11-06-2023 21:56:32




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 Re: Oliver 770 - Year built needed in reply to scootergmc, 11-06-2023 14:04:38  
Hello Norm welcome to YT! Incase you decide to here is a short rundown on posting pictures here. Pictures post through the ..Browse or Choose files.. button just below where it says ..Upload Photos/Videos.. down lower in the ..New post and reply windows. Clicking that will give you a choice to select the file or folder the pictures are stored in on your PC or phone. Then select the photo from the file and ..Add.. it. They cannot be pasted into the text area as a file. I would suggest posting one picture in a reply, then 2 in the next if you are adding more just to test out the size limits.

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J. Schwiebert

11-06-2023 15:56:41




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 Re: Oliver 770 - Year built needed in reply to scootergmc, 11-06-2023 14:04:38  
Oh boy! Your 160 block casting number is too new for that serial number if I remember right.



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rrlund

11-06-2023 13:01:49




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 Re: Oliver 770 - Year built needed in reply to akanorm_22, 11-05-2023 19:06:07  
This isn't a 770, but the 600 Olivers run way over where they supposedly end. There are 14 known with higher serial numbers than where they were supposed to have ended. I have one of the 14. They figure those were run off later to finish filling an order. They were supposed to end at number 457 something. 12 of the 14 high numbers are 460xxx and two are 462xxx.



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akanorm_22

11-06-2023 11:40:05




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 Re: Oliver 770 - Year built needed in reply to akanorm_22, 11-05-2023 19:06:07  
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How does the NLA work? Could they have requested a specific serial number? No build card unfortunately. Thanks for your help.



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J Hamilton

11-06-2023 12:28:57




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 Re: Oliver 770 - Year built needed in reply to akanorm_22, 11-06-2023 11:40:05  
NLA means No Longer Available



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J. Schwiebert

11-06-2023 09:56:42




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 Re: Oliver 770 - Year built needed in reply to akanorm_22, 11-05-2023 19:06:07  
Did you get a build card for your tractor? We sold a very late 770 to an older farmer and one of the options he wanted was NLA It was a67 if I remember correctly.



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