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1950 Oliver 88 Gas - Timing Question

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akconnection

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I don't have my books available and I need to confirm that the #1 cylinder is on the flywheel end of the crank and not on the fan/front end of my 88 gas? In addition, I would like to know where to find the timing marks and the best way to see and set it.
Thanks
Akconnection
 
Wrong. No.1 cylinder is counted from the timing end of the engine. Was that way for decades. Still should be.

Timing marks may well be on the flywheel. We used to remove either #1 or 4 plug lead and arrange it to spark close to thevflywheel - the early
form of strobing, without using a xenon illuminator. A mark on the crank pulley would suffice just as well - as it did for many car engines of the last
century.
 

Holy Smokes! Are you saying the front fan end is #1 cylinder? If so I just figured out my timing issue....

Akconnection
 
Timing marks are on the flywheel. Mark will be marked IGN. Take the little plate off the bottom of the bell housing and use some good solvent and clean the flywheel and then paint the mark. Some of those old 88 tractors had 2 marks one for H C engines and one for K D engines. Paint the TDC mark as well but a different color.
 
J is leading you in the right direction. You need to make sure #1 is top dead center on compression stroke. The distributor drives are not always installed right. If not you will need to time it switch the wires on the distributor were they will work. I bought one that the cows had eaten the wires off. The owner couldn't get it running. Distributor drive was in wrong.
 
Olliejunkie,
Right now, I think step one for me is to validate where #1 cylinder is? Next to the tranny or next to the water pump?

akconnection
 
You are making hard work out of this! Number one cylinder is next to the water pump. E-mail should be open if you have more questions.
 
Nothing to do with the water pump, hydraulic pump or any other pump. No.1 Is at the timing end - the cam timed from the crank. Simples. Every
engine I have dismantled is the same. OHC engines may be different, but that was the simple convention for SV and OHV engines in the 20th
century.
 
Seems like some of these replies are a bit confusing. Number one cylinder is the front one. To find tdc compression,remove no. 1 spark plug,turn
engine by hand and put your finger over spark plug hole. When you feel air pushing past your finger it means piston is coming up on compression
stroke. Turn engine in the proper direction ( look at fan to be sure)When air stops you should be near tdc. You can check mark on flywheel through
inspection window. The rotor in distributor will be near the post that firesnumber one cylinder. Arrange plug wires around cap according to firing order.
Final timing adjustment can be accomplished by turning distributor.
 
I am wondering how u expect to time an engine when you don't know where the # 1 cyl. is. oliver is no different than any other engine. cyl numbering starts at the front of the engine. front is the fan not flywheel . plus you need to have the points set to spec. first before setting the timing.
 
don't know why u are surprised, as that's the way its been since the internal combustion engine came about.
 
The only engines that I ever heard of that #1 was at the flywheel end was the air-oil cooled DEUTZ engines.
 
Technically, the TDC mark on the flywheel is the same for #6
as it is for #1; - just that the spark is one turn of the crank off
from one another.
 
Technically, the TDC mark on the flywheel is the same for #6
as it is for #1; - just that the spark is one turn of the crank off
from one another.

This makes sense to me, essentially instead of the firing order being 153624 it becomes 624153. Correct?
I'll let you all know if I have any luck, as soon as I get back to the tractor, to validate what I've learned.
Thanks
akconnectipon
 
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