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Perkins injector line

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young tractor

01-07-2019 16:58:02




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Hi guys. Iím pretty deep into an 1850 with a Perkins fix up and paint project. I have an injector line that is leaking at the threaded fitting that is attached to the injection pump. What do you recommend to replace this line. Can I use either copper or steel brake line to replace and re-flair each end? Or how would you fix it? Is it a double or single flair? I assume the flair is bad on the line. Thanks for your advice.

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scootergmc

01-09-2019 07:13:21




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 Re: Perkins injector line in reply to young tractor, 01-07-2019 16:58:02  
There's a Massey 1100 line too:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Massey-Ferguson-1100-Perkins-354-Diesel-Injection-Line-4/362308202676?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D89bb6fb8c65d4eeab4f622cc0be7641b%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D362308202676%26itm%3D362308202676&_trksid=p2481888.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3A0e0c4f3c-141f-11e9-b249-74dbd1805fec%7Cparentrq%3A331f65f61680ac1f5854de9efffb0cc3%7Ciid%3A1

Yes, it's always a crap shoot. Trans Atlantic Diesel also sells an emergency line as a temporary fix. It would also make a great diagnostic tool as far as I can see, about halfway down this page: http://www.tadiesels.com/fuel_injector_acc.html

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Frank(Mi.)

01-08-2019 14:51:17




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 Re: Perkins injector line in reply to young tractor, 01-07-2019 16:58:02  
I had this same problem on a David Brown. Line and olive are supposed to press fit together I think. Mine did not stay together. Could not find replacement olives or lines. I finally cleaned the line and olive and silver soldered them together. Immediately after that, Winter came and I don't know if I've fixed it or not.....



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scootergmc

01-08-2019 13:08:25




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 Re: Perkins injector line in reply to young tractor, 01-07-2019 16:58:02  
I'll have to defer to your expertise there. I agree the tractor lines are the same.



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scootergmc

01-08-2019 12:34:00




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 Re: Perkins injector line in reply to young tractor, 01-07-2019 16:58:02  
Ooops. My bad.
I'd try to find a used line on ebay. Massey and Oliver Perkins 354 should be the same (I think).



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rrlund

01-08-2019 13:03:05




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 Re: Perkins injector line in reply to scootergmc, 01-08-2019 12:34:00  
The ones on the combines might fit,but they won't necessarily be bent right. When I put a combine engine in mine,I had to use the lines from the tractor engine. The ones off the combine weren't bent right to accommodate the throttle linkage running through them. The combine used a cable like a choke cable and the tractor uses solid rods.



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rrlund

01-08-2019 06:57:35




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 Re: Perkins injector line in reply to young tractor, 01-07-2019 16:58:02  
I cut an old one in half one time. They're like a steel bar with a hole just a little bigger than the wire in a bread wrapper twister.



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scootergmc

01-07-2019 21:12:27




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 Re: Perkins injector line in reply to young tractor, 01-07-2019 16:58:02  
That's happened to me. In reality I only needed new rubber grommets (Olives). They're available on ebay, amazon, sparex, from massey, etc., I ended up buying a variety pack through Sparex via Amazon.



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Dieseltech

01-08-2019 05:09:09




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 Re: Perkins injector line in reply to scootergmc, 01-07-2019 21:12:27  
The RUBBER line sleeves are for inlet/outlet lines ONLY. He's talking the steel lines to the injectors, rubber does not work there. I have several sizes on hand of the rubber line olives, but none of the steel olives anymore.



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Dieseltech

01-07-2019 17:56:49




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 Re: Perkins injector line in reply to young tractor, 01-07-2019 16:58:02  
What John said is spot on, but those line olives through CAV/LUCAS/DELPHI are no longer available far as I know. I've sometimes had luck swapping the banjo fittings around and got leaks stopped that way too, IF the line is not cracked just behind the olive. If it's cracked, replace the line is the only option.



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J. Schwiebert

01-07-2019 17:34:21




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 Re: Perkins injector line in reply to young tractor, 01-07-2019 16:58:02  
You want to live dangerously! You know how much pressure is in that line? When you take the leaking line off you look at the thickness of the line! Also You will notice there is no flare on the line. Back in the day you could get the nut and the fitting as Cockshutt part numbers (MP Numbers). J.In Cockshutt terms the fitting was called an Olive. I would remove the old one and put a new olive on and a new nut on the line and would be good to go. You need to remove the line and inspect it first. Maybe Diesel tech will answer and say he has new ones in a drawer. More questions?

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young tractor

01-07-2019 18:07:21




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 Re: Perkins injector line in reply to J. Schwiebert, 01-07-2019 17:34:21  
Ok thanks guys. Where would I get the olive and threaded fitting?



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hymie2lt

01-07-2019 20:06:17




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 Re: Perkins injector line in reply to young tractor, 01-07-2019 18:07:21  
Do you happen to have the part numbers of the line, nut and olives that you need? I may be able to find them. Wayne



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young tractor

01-08-2019 06:58:28




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 Re: Perkins injector line in reply to hymie2lt, 01-07-2019 20:06:17  
The injector line is number 31 in my part book. Part number 159 257-AS



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hymie2lt

01-08-2019 13:07:53




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 Re: Perkins injector line in reply to young tractor, 01-08-2019 06:58:28  
Well I cannot find the nuts or sleeves either. If I could get the part number of the nuts and sleeve, I could maybe find some, but Perkins doesnt list the parts separate from the line. Wayne



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young tractor

01-07-2019 20:40:35




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 Re: Perkins injector line in reply to hymie2lt, 01-07-2019 20:06:17  
I will check on it tomorrow. If I remember right, itís the # 4 line in the parts book. Somebody before me really tightened it because I couldnít tighten it any more. Thatís what makes me think I need at the very least new fittings.



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young tractor

01-08-2019 19:24:45




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 Re: Perkins injector line in reply to young tractor, 01-07-2019 20:40:35  
Thanks guys for all your help. I talked to a local injection pump shop and he said they can send it out to be made. I see a set on eBay, but kinda buying a cat in a sack



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