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Bruce (VA)

03-01-2014 12:22:55




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Got both of the 50 8N's out today to lay up the strawberry rows; one w/ the lister to turn up the row & the other w/ a cultivator. It's easy when the wife & all three dogs help!

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Royse

03-02-2014 20:18:19




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to Bruce (VA), 03-01-2014 12:22:55  
When I was a kid I worked on a local produce farm.

The owner had a plastic layer we used for planting melon and

tomato plants. It was an "all in one" outfit like you described,
but I'm pretty sure it was home made.
It dug small trenches, toilet paper rolled the plastic down, held
the edges of the plastic in place with tires while it covered them with
the listers. Then it had a big steel wheel with tractor steel lugs
spaced evenly to poke holes in the plastic, a plant holding rack
and two seats on the back for people to ride and drop the plants in.

It was quite a rig for a small time place.

Thinking of it now it was much like a tree planting rig.

We still had to go back and pack the plants in with soil.

We watered with 3 inch aluminum irrigation pipe and impact sprinklers.
I'm sure there are better methods now, but that's what we had then.

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Colin King

03-03-2014 19:11:14




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to Royse, 03-02-2014 20:18:19  
Royse,

That's neat that you had that experience. For small operations, vegetable equipment is very pricey.

Irrigation technology hasn't changed all that much. 3" pipe with overhead risers or a travelling gun is often what's used for certain types of produce. Drip or trickle tape is another watering system, often used in our area under plastic or with mildew sensitive produce. We use both overhead on 3" pipe with Nelson style impact sprinklers and "wobblers" as well as drip tape under plastic.

Colin

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Bruce (VA)

03-03-2014 06:56:52




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to Royse, 03-02-2014 20:18:19  
Despite being 20 miles from downtown Richmond, there is still a lot of real truck farming going on around me. "Hanover Tomatoes" have quite a reputation in eastern VA & they are raised right here. All the farmers have plastic mulching rigs and depending on the size of the farm, most are commercial rigs. But, one older farmer neighbor made his own. Works fine! Once the plastic is down, he has a 2-row planter rig. Two folks sit on seats, the big wheel w/ spikes punches a hole in the plastic & digs a hole; the plants are set by hand.

He has offered to let me 'sit down & plant' anytime I want!

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Royse

03-02-2014 20:01:21




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to Bruce (VA), 03-01-2014 12:22:55  
The link wants me to log in as you Hobo.

Even after I log in with my account.



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Hobo,NC

03-02-2014 18:15:45




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to Bruce (VA), 03-01-2014 12:22:55  
If I can make the link work I plowed up my garden and a few neighbors today,,, it was a good day to plow...

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TheOldHokie

03-02-2014 04:35:04




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to Bruce (VA), 03-01-2014 12:22:55  
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Too flat, too warm, and too far South - hard to believe less than 200 miles makes that much difference. ;-)

My plows are firmly frozen in place and I am breaking up the remaining snow piles (now solid ice cubes) with a pick.

The 3' thick pile where it slid off the back roof of the shop will probably still be there in July :evil:
TOH

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Bruce (VA)

03-02-2014 05:15:19




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to TheOldHokie, 03-02-2014 04:35:04  
3 of the wife's 4 kids live in the DC metro area, half way between us & they look like they will be getting 12" of snow tomorrow. I know you can't wait for more..... .

My guess is that anyone who lived through the winter of 1940 would tell us we're wimps! Legend has it that snow was still on the ground in May. Below zero for a week. W/ kerosene lights, wood stoves & outhouses.



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mbramble

03-01-2014 20:50:18




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to Bruce (VA), 03-01-2014 12:22:55  
Bruce,

How wide is that plastic sheeting that you use?? And how thick?? I have never tried this before but think I might give it a whirl.
I built this tool bar for cultivating (have 6 spring tines that I can put on) and mounding up rows. This pic was after the garden was finished last year and I was just trying it out. I can put the cultivator tines on at the same time and line them up with the back tires and they keep the ground from getting packed from the tires. The attachments can be located anywhere on the bar except for the very center where the vertical square tube is.

I think I can come up with a 'toilet paper dispenser' if I decide to go this route. Sure would help with weeds..... .

Any suggestions or advice would be most appreciated!!.

Thanks,

Mike

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Here it is with all the bits on it before painting...

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Bruce (VA)

03-02-2014 05:10:07




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to mbramble, 03-01-2014 20:50:18  
Great looking lister! That's all you will need for turning up the rows (as you are doing now) and covering up the plastic.

I made my plastic toilet paper roller out of wood because I'm a woodworker. Metal would be far better.

Can't tell you the thickness of the plastic. Seems like it's 3'x5000'. Where are you located? All the ag stores around here carry it in black as well as white. All the commercial farmers use it & even some of us wannabes.

Do not bother w/ it unless you use irrigation. A soaker hose will work, but drip irrigation is best. And do not plan on ever getting it up if you have wire grass!

Once the row is set up, I pull out 3-4' of plastic & cover up the sides w/ a hoe. The wife then starts down the row on the N w/ the Sherman moving at walking speed while I hoe up some dirt every 4-6'. When the row is done, I get on another N w/ the lister blades set wide & finish covering up the plastic.

Wait until a wet day in the fall then go down the sides of the plastic w/ a digging fork. Slowly pull up 3-4'. Once you get that much up, you can usually slowly pull the entire row up w/o it breaking.

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mbramble

03-02-2014 10:43:11




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to Bruce (VA), 03-02-2014 05:10:07  
Thanks for the info Bruce!



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Hobo,NC

03-01-2014 19:37:19




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to Bruce (VA), 03-01-2014 12:22:55  
I usually flip some dirt the middle of Feb. but its been to wet and cold... I am think'n of flip'n some dirt tomorrow,,, pruning the grape vines and blueberry bushes... I am gonna cut way back this year and support the local farmers...



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wilsonsk

03-01-2014 15:07:24




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to Bruce (VA), 03-01-2014 12:22:55  
This is just a plain cruel post....I got in my car at noon, it was 1 degree, I haven't seen my grass since november, my side walk since sometime in december, I may have misplaced a dog, I'm not sure anymore.....what is dirt?



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soundguy

03-01-2014 14:52:20




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to Bruce (VA), 03-01-2014 12:22:55  
yer snow's all brown!!!



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pikewi

03-01-2014 14:36:20




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to Bruce (VA), 03-01-2014 12:22:55  
I went out to try ice fishing today. I was drilling my first hole and ran out of auger. Thats not right



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L.B,

03-01-2014 14:44:17




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to pikewi, 03-01-2014 14:36:20  
Man that's sad.



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L.B,

03-01-2014 14:33:29




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to Bruce (VA), 03-01-2014 12:22:55  
Nice garden spot. I like them dogs, do they make rounds with ya or just watch?



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Bruce (VA)

03-01-2014 15:15:23




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to L.B,, 03-01-2014 14:33:29  
Thanks!

The barely visible pointer is always "working". looking for something to point...or eat. Felix, the big bloodhound, is usually laid up under a tree. Jack, on the other hand, is about half Jack Russell terrier & he just never stops running. I usually put him up when the tractors are out, but we were moving so slow we could keep an eye on him.



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L.B,

03-01-2014 22:07:51




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to Bruce (VA), 03-01-2014 15:15:23  
I put mine up when ever I move anything with a I-C-E they are truly mans best friend, I truly believe they have a soul. As I tell people if the dogs had the opposing thumb we would be the one eating out of the bowl.



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Jimmyjack

03-01-2014 13:59:48




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to Bruce (VA), 03-01-2014 12:22:55  
You really know how to hurt a guy! We are approaching 6 foot of frost, and freezing pipes! We start thinking about planting about Memorial Day which is maybe last frost. Middle of May for some hardy plants. Where you have a head start, we cant wait for the cranberries to thaw. We have about 65 inches of snow on the ground, and still coming down. But in Wis. we can ice fish, snowmobile, ski, and complain about the weather.

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Kornfused

03-01-2014 13:45:17




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to Bruce (VA), 03-01-2014 12:22:55  
well I'm happy for you but, we got snow flying right now and I spent have the day trying to get my &^&% 2N started thinking if I got her warmed up good today sh'ed start tomorrow if we get the 5-8 inches predicted. %(*(% Ford just doesn't like cold weather.



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pikewi

03-01-2014 12:57:17




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to Bruce (VA), 03-01-2014 12:22:55  
All I smell is ice and snow



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01BIRDDOG

03-01-2014 12:48:52




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to Bruce (VA), 03-01-2014 12:22:55  
I can smell the wonderful smell of the earth now!!!!! !!!!!



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Colin King

03-01-2014 12:32:54




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to Bruce (VA), 03-01-2014 12:22:55  
Bruce,

I'm deeply envious of you! It is forecast to be -26*F tonight and we're a long way from getting any field work done. Looks beautiful and spring-like your way. Are you getting into the field later than what you would normally expect?

Also, when you have a chance, could you send me a picture of your lister set-up? Looks like you're using it to make raised beds?

Enjoy your time outdoors!

Colin, MN

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Bruce (VA)

03-01-2014 12:58:15




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to Colin King, 03-01-2014 12:32:54  
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Colin, I try my best not to go outside when it's 26* above zero! I swear, my southern boy thin blood would freeze solid!

This is about the time we start planting around here. Ground is nice for planting English peas. I'll get to that next week, along with the usual broccoli, lettuce, etc. Irish potatoes go in the third week or so of March. Weather has been a bit cooler & wetter than normal for us this year.

I started out w/ one lister & just adjusted the blades as need be. But, being lazy, I got another lister really cheap, so now I have one set wide & another set narrow. The narrow lister turns up the hill. Then, for tomatoes, peppers, etc, I use my homemade 'toilet paper roll' plastic dispenser to put down the plastic after I lay down the drip tape. I really, really like the Sherman on the 8N to slow it down for this job. Then, I run over that with the lister set wide to hold the plastic down. As I'm sure you know, the real farmers have one piece of equipment that does all of that. They also raise a lot more than I do!

Hey, pretty soon the sap will be running & you can get to MN style farming!

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Colin King

03-01-2014 18:21:13




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to Bruce (VA), 03-01-2014 12:58:15  
Hi Bruce, I just now got around to checking the mail. Beautiful night sky, but my gosh it's already bitter outside. Thirteen below with a -34* windchill. March can bring a lot of snow here, but it is going to warm up sooner rather than later. And then we'll have sap and snow melt and fence work and then planting :-)

Thanks for the great photos! This has given me some ideas. We currently do all of our plastic and raised beds by hand. Not an unmanageable task, but if it could be mechanized, it would save a couple of days every season. I like the simplicity and the versatility of the lister.

Thanks again, and enjoy working in the garden!

Colin

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howdy1960

03-01-2014 19:29:56




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to Colin King, 03-01-2014 18:21:13  
Some around here (north of Syracuse NY)have begun tapping trees but I'm thinking the sap is frozen in the roots still.



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Colin King

03-01-2014 19:31:54




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to howdy1960, 03-01-2014 19:29:56  
When do you normally tap? We tap around 20th of March and don't get a good run until the last week of March/first week of April.

Colin



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howdy1960

03-02-2014 07:08:13




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to Colin King, 03-01-2014 19:31:54  
I dont tap but my neighbor does. Last week he spoke of getting started this week. It's currently hovering in the teens. Weather guesser says this time of year average is in the mid to upper 30s days and 20s at night.



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Colin King

03-03-2014 19:17:25




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to howdy1960, 03-02-2014 07:08:13  
Your normal for this time of year would be about right for sugaring. You're about 3 weeks ahead of us, normally.

Colin



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jennifer408

03-02-2014 07:20:46




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to howdy1960, 03-02-2014 07:08:13  
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what does "tap" mean ?



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Ron in nb

03-02-2014 11:47:53




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 Re: Working the N's in reply to jennifer408, 03-02-2014 07:20:46  
Tap means to drill a small hole in a sugar maple tree and collect the sap which you then boil down to a thick syrup hence maple syrup.



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jennifer408

03-02-2014 18:45:53




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oh, i thought they were talking about working the dirt, not the trees.



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