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jumper to bypass ign switch and push button starter switch

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gossman

11-27-2011 09:28:44




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Hi folks,

Is it possible to use a jumper to ground from the solenoid (or other component) to activate the starter and turn-over the engine? This is a 51' 8n 6v side mount. Wondering what best way to do this is.

I want to bypass the push button switch and the key ignition switch if possible to troubleshoot an intermittent starting issue I've been having.

TIA




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thornvilleloboy

11-27-2011 11:44:03




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 Re: jumper to bypass ign switch and push button starter ... in reply to gossman, 11-27-2011 09:28:44  
A remote starter switch you can get from 9.99 up . It is alot safer to keep hands away from moving parts . Works nice when setting points .



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old

11-27-2011 13:07:45




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 Re: jumper to bypass ign switch and push button starter ... in reply to thornvilleloboy, 11-27-2011 11:44:03  
Why wast the $10 when these engine turn over so easy that if the fan belt if tight as it should be it is simple to get the points at the right position. Plus the ignition switch and start button and solenoid is not close to any moving parts shoot even the coil on a side mount is out of harms way as for fingers



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thornvilleloboy

11-30-2011 10:11:37




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 Re: jumper to bypass ign switch and push button starter ... in reply to old, 11-27-2011 13:07:45  
My friend Dennis , was trying to test his Deere with a jumper wire . It made a big pop and spooked him . He lost his balance and got his wedding band caught and tore off two digits off his ring finger , ouch ! Now he has a stub for a ring finger ! He has it in a baby food jar and gets it out to scare the kids ! Wants it buried with him when he dies .



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old

11-30-2011 10:20:06




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 Re: jumper to bypass ign switch and push button starter ... in reply to thornvilleloboy, 11-30-2011 10:11:37  
Well that is why when working on things like engines and electrical stuff you wear no rings etc. A simple ring on your finger and a battery can burn a finger right off. Yes I have seen it happen. As can a ring and climbing up on something and jumping off. Knew a gal who worked at a parts store and she climbed up on a shelve to get a part and jumped off but left her left hand ring finger behind because it hung on a nail. You can never be to careful when working around moving parts so to think twice and do once and that is on a good day

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thornvilleloboy

11-30-2011 12:44:22




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 Re: jumper to bypass ign switch and push button starter ... in reply to old, 11-30-2011 10:20:06  
A little over 4 weeks ago , my female yellow Lab Cheyenne ,found two fawns back in my pine tree clump . I yelled at her to come back , but she ignored me . So I walked down and grabbed her by the collar . As we were heading back up to the house , I heard a popping and snapping of branches . I turned around just in time to see a doe run me over and stomped on me . I laid there for about 5 minutes , trying to figure out how bad I was hurt . My dog got away unhurt , I had to make a trip up to the hospital . I ended up getting 17 sticthes in my shin on my left leg and got X-rayed . No broken bones , thank God . I am still trying to get healed up , still sore and calf of leg still swell . I am just lucky I haven't lost any work over this . I must be getting old , I sure don't heal as fast !

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old

12-01-2011 08:35:58




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 Re: jumper to bypass ign switch and push button starter ... in reply to thornvilleloboy, 11-30-2011 12:44:22  
Yep mothers no matter if they have 2 or 4 legs can be mean when it comes to the children be they 2 or 4 legged. But in my area 4 weeks ago would have meant that it was a shooter so it would have hit the ground



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Bruce (VA)

11-27-2011 09:49:55




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 Re: jumper to bypass ign switch and push button starter ... in reply to gossman, 11-27-2011 09:28:44  
" Is it possible to use a jumper to ground from the solenoid "

Check out tip # 43.

" I want to bypass the push button switch and the key ignition switch "

Those circuits are separate. Turning the key on has nothing to do w/ pressing the thumb switch.....or vice-versa.

" troubleshoot an intermittent starting issue "

What is the problem?

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gossman

11-27-2011 10:10:07




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 Re: jumper to bypass ign switch and push button starter ... in reply to Bruce (VA), 11-27-2011 09:49:55  
I seem to keep encountering an intermittent starting issue. Sometimes when I press the starter button (the push button) it engages that starter and all is well. Other times when I press the button all I hear is crickets. I thought I addressed it a couple weeks ago by cleaning the battery and cables. But I encountered it today again.

I just removed the wiring to the push button switch and cleaned that up real good. It seems to be more responsive now. Maybe that fixed it - time will tell ;)

I wanted to learn how to "hot wire" it just in case I run into issues this winter and don't have time to fiddle.

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Bruce (VA)

11-27-2011 14:22:04




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 Re: jumper to bypass ign switch and push button starter ... in reply to gossman, 11-27-2011 10:10:07  
" Other times when I press the button all I hear is crickets"

The solenoid is making a noise because of low voltage. That is likely caused by:

1. A weak battery (charge it & check it per tip # 49))
2. Dirty grounds/connections (remove the cables & clean the connections, to include the wire at the thumb switch)
3. Bad cables or incorrect sized cables (replace them - see tip # 41)
4. Bad ground between the starter & the block. (pull the starter away from the block & clean the mating area - see tip # 36)

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old

11-27-2011 11:18:55




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 Re: jumper to bypass ign switch and push button starter ... in reply to gossman, 11-27-2011 10:10:07  
Well first off the ignition switch and the starter switch are not in the same circuit and the starter will spin over with or with out the ignition switch on or off. That said you can hot one it easy and if it is still 6 volts then it should be positive ground so to hot wire it you run a wire from the - side of the battery to the ignition side of the coil. If you do that it is hot wired and that takes the ignition switch out of play but if you do that be careful you can not shut the engine down real easy. As for the starter it is a ground type solenoid so if you run a wire from the small post of the solenoid to ground the starter should spin but again be careful that takes out the starter safety so if it is in gear and starts you may get you or some one else hurt or dead

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gossman

11-27-2011 17:48:37




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 Re: jumper to bypass ign switch and push button starter ... in reply to old, 11-27-2011 11:18:55  
Thanks for the tips - If I end up going that route (jump starting) I will definitely double check it's not in gear. When I first got the tractor it didn't even have the safety switch hooked up. It was a mickey mouse turn key start (bypassing the safety switch) ... So when someone tried to start it and it was in gear it would start to buck and roll - not good. I addressed that problem right away. Thanks Again

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Mike Groom

11-27-2011 09:42:23




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 Re: jumper to bypass ign switch and push button starter ... in reply to gossman, 11-27-2011 09:28:44  
You can jump from the hot side of the switch to the solonoid on the starter and start it or direct from the battery to the solonoid just make sure it's in neutral.



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Dell (WA)

11-28-2011 08:24:08




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 Re: jumper to bypass ign switch and push button starter ... in reply to Mike Groom, 11-27-2011 09:42:23  
hey Mike..... ..remember, the 3-terminal 8N starter solenoid is GROUND operated by the BIG starter button by the tranny shifter. And surprizingly enuff, the engine will turn-over without starting iff'n you fergetts to turn yer ignition switch ON. ..... ..respectfully, Dell



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