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Rae Davidson

08-04-2008 16:26:21




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Thanks to everyone who has an idea..... ..... .. I was discing my field which was putting a real load on the tractor and had done it the night before for 3 hours and tonight for about an hour, when she started to sputter then i got a few back fires then a little more sputtering now she isn't running on all cylinders. She ran like a top before, however I had never put her under such a load as this. Please help..... ..... thanks again

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moonlite 37

08-04-2008 17:52:24




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 Re: 8n with trouble in reply to Rae Davidson, 08-04-2008 16:26:21  
Likely you got it hot that the water ran out the overflow pipe and got the distributor wet.



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Bruce (VA)

08-04-2008 16:47:04




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 Re: 8n with trouble in reply to Rae Davidson, 08-04-2008 16:26:21  
8N's can have a front distributor, a side distributor & be 6v or 12v. With out telling us what you have, we can guess on answers, or give you answers for a 6v when you have a 12v, or tell you to check the point gap at .015 when it should be .025....you get the idea! So, what do you have, 6v or 12v, front or side distributor?

Get an old plug, open the gap to 3/16, ground it to a rust & paint free spot on the head, turn the key on & crank the engine. You have three possibilities: no spark, weak and/or intermittent yellow spark, or a bright blue spark. What is it? Next, check for fuel. Remove the bolt in the bottom of the carb; as long as the fuel is turned on, you should see gas flowing out of the carb.

Post back w/ more info about your tractor & the results of the spark & fuel checks; lots of folks here can help you out.

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Rae Davidson

08-04-2008 17:05:09




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 Re: 8n with trouble in reply to Bruce (VA), 08-04-2008 16:47:04  
Bruce,

Thanks for the response, My tractor isn't close right now it's at the farm and I was hoping for some ideas. It's a 6 volt and it's an odd motor meaning it had a side mount distributor and the previous owner replaced esentially the front of the motor and in turn it how has a front mount distributor (I found this out on this forum based on lugs for a generator on left side but it's currently on the right side and serial # on motor) When I bought the tractor a year ago I replaced the points, cap, rotor, plugs etc. One more thing the generator isn't charging any longer unless the motor is running at a particular rpm like a medium rev. (according to the guage and the fact I have had to charge the battery) and I know the battery is currently low of charge. also the oil pressure was up around 15 pounds where she runs when she's hot.

With your comments you think it may be in the point adjustment??

Thanks again for your help

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Bruce (VA)

08-04-2008 17:12:30




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 Re: 8n with trouble in reply to Rae Davidson, 08-04-2008 17:05:09  
Yep, it could be that the points slipped close. Or buned up. Take your wrenches & a feeler gauge. But, like I said, check spark and fuel before you just jump into it.

I doubt it's your genny; probably the v/r. Whack the v/r w/ the flat of your hand & see what happens to the charge rate. Sounds like the field points are sticking.

15 lbs of oil pressure at idle when it's hot, or at operating speed? 15 at idle is nice; 15 at 1/2 or 3/4 throttle means rebuild time.

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JimSC

08-05-2008 05:39:05




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 Re: 8n with trouble in reply to Bruce (VA), 08-04-2008 17:12:30  
Bruce, you mention that 15 lbs oil pressure at 3/4 throttle, hot, is time for a rebuild. I use 40 weight in the summer on my mutt (8N with 9N engine) and have 42 psi at cold idle but about 20 at 1500 RPM hot, and about 6-8 psi hot idle. I hadn't thought about a rebuild until I read your post. What do you think, am I heading for a rebuild soon? It's been this way for the several years I have owned it.

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Bruce (VA)

08-05-2008 16:26:42




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 Re: 8n with trouble in reply to JimSC, 08-05-2008 05:39:05  
You're getting close. The good news is the idle oil pressure. Anything above 5 lbs hot is ok. But, at 1500 rpm's, you should be at 30 or better. I think the 40w is helping it along, but at some point, you could get more wear than you would like on the crank.



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Rae Davidson

08-04-2008 17:25:13




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 Re: 8n with trouble in reply to Bruce (VA), 08-04-2008 17:12:30  
thanks for your help Bruce. One last couple of question if I did burn up the points what do I do to not let it happen again????

I was trying my friends disc that is 6 1/2 feet wide, I am going to buy one and wanted to see if she could pull it, my land is somewhat rolling and it did put a heck of a load on, she was hot, not boiling over, but hot. I was thinking before this happened that I should probably go to 5 1/2 foot. your thoughts??

Thanks again

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Paul in MN

08-04-2008 19:24:14




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 Re: 8n with trouble in reply to Rae Davidson, 08-04-2008 17:25:13  
Rae,

Which gear were you using to pull the disc? Discing works better if you can go a bit faster...more rolling and crumbling action to the soil. If you were pulling the disc in 1st, it was going too slow to really do its work. This is a good arguement for choosing the 5.5 ft disc or maybe a 6 ft at most. Better discs allow you to change the angle of the sections to better match the pulling power of the tractor. The greater the blade angle from the straight ahead position, the more power needed, but the better the soil will be tilled.

Good luck with your new farming activity.

Paul in MN

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Bruce (VA)

08-04-2008 17:42:34




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 Re: 8n with trouble in reply to Rae Davidson, 08-04-2008 17:25:13  
Points burn up from normal wear; the rubbing block wears down, the gap closes & they burn. Or, the condenser fails & they arc & burn. Or, they slipped closed because the screws are worn out or you don't have the star washers under them. Or, they were gapped wrong from the get-go. Or, they are cheap imports w/ plastic rubbing blocks. (BTDT!) Lots of ways to burn up points, but engine heat isn't one of them.

A 6 1/2' disc is about all a well tuned & good running N will pull. All mine run just fine & a 5 1/2 foot disc in my sandy soil is all they can pull.

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