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What's this extra bracket attached to the PTO cover?

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K5_489

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On the back of a '52 8N... Certainly doesn't look like a farmer cobble. Guessing it was part of an implement used long ago? Doesn't affect my usage now, and is kind of a handy extra step sometimes to aid this old guy getting on/off as I also have a Wagner loader mounted so I have to get on/off over the back, lol.

Just curious what it might have been used for....


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Don't know what it is but it looks like it sure shortened you PTO shaft quite a bit. Is there even the ring around the shaft showing so one can use a push button connection on it?

This post was edited by Caryc on 05/24/2023 at 08:10 am.
 
(quoted from post at 12:09:18 05/24/23) Don't know what it is but it looks like it sure shortened you PTO shaft quite a bit. Is there even the ring around the shaft showing so one can use a push button connection on it?

This post was edited by Caryc on 05/24/2023 at 08:10 am.
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i think that's the original 1 1/8" pto shaft cover on what i'd guess is the original shorter shaft.
 
The brackets with the pins pointing to the outside looks manufactured. Dad had
something similar, but was homemade used on a dump rake converted to 3 point hitch.

The PTO cover looks to be from a 9N and looks normal for the original 1/8 PTO shaft
 
Ok, my bad...I wasn't specific enough...that's on me, lol.

I was talking specifically about the brackets with the pins pointing out to the sides. Though that said, I wouldn't have a clue if the PTO shaft was modified or not either..I've never used it, never had a need for it, and I don't see myself ever using it in the future either.

The brackets sure appear to be cast material, and if some farmer did this in the barn, I am seriously impressed. I would have loved to met him and learned a few things, as they sure look like a mass manufactured part.

Took a couple more photos, this time with the PTO cap removed (first time that cap has ever been off since I bought the tractor a few years ago!) Doesn't appear as if the shaft has been cut shorter, though I have no way of knowing if maybe someone replaced it with a shorter shaft at some point either. (related note...looks like it's time for an oil change back there too!)


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This post was edited by K5_489 on 05/24/2023 at 09:09 pm.
 
You were specific enough.
So we're KCM and I.
They are for attaching the actuator arms on a
Ford/Dearborn 10-14 two way plow.
They would sell readily on eBay.
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They were not made for that as the PTO shaft was not supposed to be hooked
to that short shaft but to a PTO shaft extender that converted it from the 1
1/8 shaft to the standard 1 3/8 shaft and you used the V drawbar that bolted
to the lift arms and the cross drawbar.
 
Probably misunderstanding Leroy's comment, but the PTO shaft looks stock to me. Early equipment used a 1-1/8" diameter 6-splined shaft as standard. 1-3/8" diameter become a standard during the 1940's and 1950' (I'm sure that varied between manufacturers) and by the late 1950's was standard across the board. Ford was late to the game in that respect. The PTO shaft extender, or standardizer, was sold by Ford with the V-bar drawbar to upsize the shaft to 1-3/8". I believe its main purpose was to use with pull-type combines and pickers, but could be used for other equipment as well. The extender is usually too long to use with a shredder though.
 
(quoted from post at 09:47:26 05/25/23) Probably misunderstanding Leroy's comment, but the PTO shaft looks stock to me. Early equipment used a 1-1/8" diameter 6-splined shaft as standard. 1-3/8" diameter become a standard during the 1940's and 1950' (I'm sure that varied between manufacturers) and by the late 1950's was standard across the board. Ford was late to the game in that respect. The PTO shaft extender, or standardizer, was sold by Ford with the V-bar drawbar to upsize the shaft to 1-3/8". I believe its main purpose was to use with pull-type combines and pickers, but could be used for other equipment as well. The extender is usually too long to use with a shredder though.
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He said his tractor was a 1952 8N. Did you miss that?
 
(quoted from post at 16:32:32 05/25/23)
(quoted from post at 09:47:26 05/25/23) Probably misunderstanding Leroy's comment, but the PTO shaft looks stock to me. Early equipment used a 1-1/8" diameter 6-splined shaft as standard. 1-3/8" diameter become a standard during the 1940's and 1950' (I'm sure that varied between manufacturers) and by the late 1950's was standard across the board. Ford was late to the game in that respect. The PTO shaft extender, or standardizer, was sold by Ford with the V-bar drawbar to upsize the shaft to 1-3/8". I believe its main purpose was to use with pull-type combines and pickers, but could be used for other equipment as well. The extender is usually too long to use with a shredder though.
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He said his tractor was a 1952 8N. Did you miss that?
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ary, even the early hundred series tractors (1955-56) came with 1 1/8 PTO shaft
 
My responce was about the ring on shaft to use the push button PTO coupler
as they were not made for that. Anything that would use the short PTO shaft
was fastened with a pin thru the shaft. So if an over run clutch was used it
had to be a style the it was fastened on with a pin.
 
Actually, since we're on the subject of PTO shafts now...can I just delete the PTO shaft altogether? I think that outer bearing is starting to go and making noise, along with the seal obviously leaking a bit.

I don't own any implements that use the PTO, and don't see myself ever getting any PTO implements...I would just as soon pull the shaft and seal the opening, but do I still need that shaft in place to run the internal 3pt pump?

Or maybe this is a good time to convert fully to the front engine driven pump and get live hydraulics too...
 
(quoted from post at 01:08:31 05/25/23)
Ok, my bad...I wasn't specific enough...that's on me, lol.
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nah, you got on the right highway. some of us were just paralleling you on the service road ;)

your N is just a loader tractor? all i do with mine is mow, i can't imagine taking out the PTO :eek:

but a big thumbs up to that extra step. strangely enough, the older i get, the less climbing i like to do.
 
(quoted from post at 13:30:52 05/26/23)
(quoted from post at 01:08:31 05/25/23)
Ok, my bad...I wasn't specific enough...that's on me, lol.
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nah, you got on the right highway. some of us were just paralleling you on the service road ;)

your N is just a loader tractor? all i do with mine is mow, i can't imagine taking out the PTO :eek:

but a big thumbs up to that extra step. strangely enough, the older i get, the less climbing i like to do.
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Well, the last time I tried mowing, I got to replace a window in the house . I decided using the box blade was a better idea

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It's not just a loader tractor, though using it to lift and move heavy stuff is it's primary use, as the only concrete on my property is under the house. I also have the mentioned box blade, landscape rake, DIY 3pt reciever hitch for trailer shuttling and a DIY 4 nozzle boom sprayer I cobbled together from various Horrible Fright parts.

None of which need the PTO. I've considered using the PTO for the pump sprayer and wood chipper, but that just seems like insane amounts of overkill for a 2GPM pump or 5hp chipper that only gets used a few times a year.

But I don't see myself refer having a need for a mower, tiller, brush hog, or anything else that would need a PTO. I figure if the need ever arises, I could always pull the sealed cover and slam the PTO shaft back in. My thinking was just to pull the shaft, then just fab a block off plate for the transaxle hole to bolt on.... Not any kind of weld it up kind of permanent delete.
 
(quoted from post at 14:55:05 05/26/23) Actually, since we're on the subject of PTO shafts now...can I just delete the PTO shaft altogether? I think that outer bearing is starting to go and making noise, along with the seal obviously leaking a bit.

I don't own any implements that use the PTO, and don't see myself ever getting any PTO implements...I would just as soon pull the shaft and seal the opening, but do I still need that shaft in place to run the internal 3pt pump?

Or maybe this is a good time to convert fully to the front engine driven pump and get live hydraulics too...
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yes, you do need the shaft in place for the internal hydraulic pump to function.

This post was edited by HFJ on 05/26/2023 at 03:08 pm.
 
If you ever decide to take the brackets off I'd be interested in them and also
have an extra set of the normal chain brackets to replace them with. I have the
plow those brackets go to and made a set of replacement brackets so I can use it.
They work fine but I like original if possible when it works out.
 
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