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What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat?

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K5_489

01-29-2023 08:08:44

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I feel silly even asking this...I don't post much on forums as an engineering guy usually I can figure most things out pretty quick just by looking at them or Google pretty quick, but apparently I just can't think of the correct search terms to use for this one...

Why do these things have seats that flip up? Clearly it's not for some kind of access under the seat. I thought maybe some kind of weather protection thing, but the pan has holes in it, and if it's sitting outside in the weather it's gonna get wet anyways flipped up or not...

It seems like there's gotta be a simple answer to this, and it's just not coming to me...

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R Geiger

02-04-2023 13:43:02

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to K5_489, 01-29-2023 08:08:44

Who's upset? some good reply's! Lot better than some of the topics on here by far!

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Caryc

02-04-2023 09:57:19

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to K5_489, 01-29-2023 08:08:44

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Your question was a perfectly acceptable one. I just didn't dream it would go on and on and on and...

I mean, it's just a metal A$$ pan. Sometimes you even see them hanging on walls for decorations !

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showcrop

02-04-2023 05:37:48

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to K5_489, 01-29-2023 08:08:44

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Leroy, that is a very bold statement even for you. To make this statement and expect it to be accepted would require that you have personally inspected EVERY farm in the US during the time period that you have given to see that everyone has a suitable structure for storing a tractor. Not only that but you would have to confirm that none of these structures were being used to house something that was a lot more perishable than a tractor. Tractors thn and now were designed and built to withstand the weather, just as were and are our cars and trucks.

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Leroy

02-04-2023 07:47:15

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to showcrop, 02-04-2023 05:37:48

At that time Henry Ford did not think about weather or he would have designed a different distribuator that would not get wet from working in rain or snow. And making so many problems for posters here on this site. And A farm could not be a farm without a way to keep feed for the animals and that ment a barn and I have never seen a barn that did not have someplace to keep something like a tractor back in the 30's, 40's or 50's. only pole barns to stack feed on the ground came later. People that grew up in the depresion knew the value of keeping things in good shape and protecting them from the weather was part of keeping things in good shape, at least in my part of the country. Other parts may have different values. And I am guessiny this will be my last post as I am tired of people saying I don't know what I do know and grew up in.

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K5_489

02-03-2023 22:54:22

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to K5_489, 01-29-2023 08:08:44

Damn... Thought it was a simple question...had no idea it was going to upset people...

Sorry, won't bother you guys anymore with my stupid questions.

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Caryc

02-03-2023 18:43:02

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to K5_489, 01-29-2023 08:08:44

I just really really don't care about this anymore. :roll:

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JMOR

02-03-2023 12:24:58

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to K5_489, 01-29-2023 08:08:44

Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeDon't let it bother you.....by now most know that he is only here to needle /bicker/criticize.

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showcrop

02-03-2023 06:08:51

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to K5_489, 01-29-2023 08:08:44

I have tried driving with the seat up but there was still not enough room. Even though there are holes in the seat, there will still be plenty enough water to get my pants wet after a rain, so that is, for me, the reason for the flip up seat. Call it as you see it.

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K5_489

02-02-2023 06:28:49

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to K5_489, 01-29-2023 08:08:44

That's what I was really after - what the _original_ idea for it was, not necessarily what people use it for now. While mine stays outside 24/7/365 now, that's only because I don't have anywhere else to put it, and being in the Arizona desert weather isn't really much of an issue anyways. It's gonna be stupid cold or God awful hot in the morning, depending on time of year, whether it's inside or not :lol:.
The animals droppings didn't seem like much of a reason, considering the rest of the thing is gonna be covered too, and if my hands are gonna be swimming in the poo on the steering wheel, I'm probably not all that concerned about sitting in it.
Rain doesn't collect in the pan, given the holes punched in it...

Room for standing does make the most sense, I just never had the reason to stand much on it to realize it before.

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Leroy

02-02-2023 05:44:01

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to K5_489, 01-29-2023 08:08:44

Dad bought that for on the 2N as soon as were avaible for the simple fact that fliping it up made it easier for him to get on and off. If we had it up for use when done and parked tractor put seat down so would be ready for use next time we wanted to use tractor. It was just a way to stretch your legs when out working a 10 hour day on the tractor. At that time nobody left tractor outside over night. That only started hapening when they became older and later buyers wanted a throw away tractor and did not care how the tractor looked or ran.

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Destroked 450

02-03-2023 11:43:09

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to Leroy, 02-02-2023 05:44:01

I know after the war civilian population was put on a waiting list for farm equipment while production was changing from war time back over to peace time products
Returning military were given fist option to purchase one new tractor, dad used his military option to order a new 20 Ferguson, that's what he ordered and that's what he got, I can not say if civilians had an option on what brand they received.

As for inside or outside storage I find your statement a little offensive. For those that had a shed or barn prier to the war or could afford to build one after, I'm glad for them.
My dad and many many farmers in my area did not have a building they could park a tractor in nor could they afford a extra building just for said storage, if there was a spare spot for storage most of the farmers that parked their tractor there didn't own a square baler
Dads tractors set out and I can tell you they were not throw away tractors and were kept in top running condition, he did build a small 24x24 work shop/tobacco striping building for maintenance and repair of our equipment and neighbors that brought their sometimes stored tractors over for us to work on

I have a 3 bay shed that houses my round baler, square baler and two tractors, the other five tractors will set out until that new larger shed on my list is built, unfortunatly a second hay barn and finishing up the cattle handling facility are higher up the list than the shed

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Leroy

02-03-2023 18:15:51

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to Destroked 450, 02-03-2023 11:43:09

Every FARM did have a barn or grainery with drive the tractor and a wood wagon could be kept in. Not a single place without that. It was not untill later that the people with just a couple of acres started buying them and then letting them set out considering them a throwaway tractor as they were several years old and therefore not worth much.

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Dave G9N

02-01-2023 18:17:28

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to K5_489, 01-29-2023 08:08:44

On a hot summer day, when you park in the sun and get off for a few minutes and forget to put the seat up, that puppy gets HOT.

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JMOR

02-01-2023 13:28:26

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to K5_489, 01-29-2023 08:08:44

Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeOK, OK, then.....it was to keep the bird & chicken sheet off the seat!!!

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504

01-30-2023 18:42:24

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to K5_489, 01-29-2023 08:08:44

Go out and set on that pan at 6:00 am after the tractor has set outside overnight. That is why the seats flip over.

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Leroy

02-01-2023 09:56:24

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to 504, 01-30-2023 18:42:24

At the time those seats came out the tractor owner though too much about his tractor to ever let then set outAfter the war when you had to go to the goverment and ask permission to buy a tractor And wait possible a year for a tractor to come in and if it was the Ford and a JD came in you either had to take it or be dropped to bottom of waiting list so the buyers took care of their tractors by not letting them set out. That letting them set out did not come till later.

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Caryc

01-30-2023 15:07:44

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to K5_489, 01-29-2023 08:08:44

Just don't forget to move the seat back down before sitting again. :wink:

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Leroy

01-30-2023 16:58:22

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to Caryc, 01-30-2023 15:07:44

You can set in the spring for short times but it is uncomfortable. I have done it for short times.

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R Geiger

01-30-2023 14:55:36

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to K5_489, 01-29-2023 08:08:44

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I like to stand up at times when I am running the brush hog. Just flip the seat back and stand up!

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Caryc

01-30-2023 12:00:08

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to K5_489, 01-29-2023 08:08:44

I do have some slight hills on my property. Sometimes it gets a little scary trying to go horizontally on a hill rather than go straight up and down. But I've learned how far up I can go on the hill and still be safe. I know to keep the loader bucket close to the ground. Once you get sideways on a small hill, since there is no suspension on a tractor, you really feel it when the tractor starts to lean a little sideways since that seat leans with the tractor. If I could just go straight up and down a hill, I would but there are things in the way at the top that prevent that and trying to turn around on a hill is definitely not a good idea either.

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K5_489

01-30-2023 10:17:02

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to K5_489, 01-29-2023 08:08:44

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I have a Wagner loader on mine, thus there's no getting on/off it in a hurry regardless, :lol:. Yeah, I know..loader bad on N series tractors..but it's what I've got, and I can't afford anything better at the moment. It's a bit of an acrobatic feat climbing over the seat to the rear, which can get a bit more interesting depending on what's hanging off the 3 point, though I find the landscape rake frame does provide a handy step of sorts.
Regardless, I live in the Arizona desert outside of Phoenix, with almost dead flat ground over the entire property, save for the one wash cutting through it (ditch for all the eastern folks). I did try to side hill it...once..while attempting to blade out the sides, which I quickly learned was stick a penny in the light socket level of stupid :lol:, and never tried it again.
I just went outside, stood on the floor boards, and flipped the seat up...a HA! Now it makes more sense! I've stood up on it before, and while it was a bit cramped, I didn't find it to be a problem, though for me it's really just been positioning the loader a bit closer while prepping to lift something with it, so I was only standing for about 30 seconds at a time. But I can see where this would be handy for those that are standing for long periods on it.
Thanks all!

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HCooke

01-30-2023 08:41:48

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to K5_489, 01-29-2023 08:08:44

It will keep snow off your seat!
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Ed S. (IL)

01-30-2023 07:20:38

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to K5_489, 01-29-2023 08:08:44

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This!
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TheOldHokie

01-30-2023 05:36:25

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to K5_489, 01-29-2023 08:08:44

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It keeps bird droppings off the seat of your pants.

TOH

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Fred Werring

01-30-2023 18:21:44

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to TheOldHokie, 01-30-2023 05:36:25

Yes

The birds were really busy last spring

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Tim PloughNman Daley

01-30-2023 02:09:05

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to K5_489, 01-29-2023 08:08:44

Do you own or have ever driven a FORD TRACTOR? When the 9N was released in 1939 it did not use a flip-up seat. The flip-up came later with the 8N Model and all models after. This was one of the 22 new features on the new Ford. As Kirk said, convenience for the operator was the reason. You could stand up on the footboards when you became tired of sitting and when needed for seeing over implements like combines and pickers.

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Caryc

01-29-2023 19:33:12

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to K5_489, 01-29-2023 08:08:44

When I put that new universal tractor seat on my MF202, it made it a whole lot harder to get on and off the thing. I'd hate to have to jump of that tractor in a big hurry. But there really are no dangerous hills on my property.

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Leroy

01-29-2023 18:49:39

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to K5_489, 01-29-2023 08:08:44

Just to make operator more comfortable while working 10 hours a day in field by giving a chance to move around by standing like you could do on john Deere or Farmal. No thought when new about weather, just about streathing your leges and straightening your knews and hips. No thoughts about weather as most were never allowed to set out, Too valeable for that.

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Kirk-NJ

01-29-2023 12:31:17

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to K5_489, 01-29-2023 08:08:44

Mostly used for flipping and standing on the footboards looking for obstacles while brushogging and other uses. Also to keep rain water to pool on seat

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Ultradog MN

01-29-2023 12:11:44

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Caryc

01-29-2023 09:43:04

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to K5_489, 01-29-2023 08:08:44

It's a simple way to attach the seat to the spring and still let the spring act like a spring.
When I first got my MF202, it had the stock seat pan on it but it had no cushion on the seat. The first time I drove it out on my field, it liked to have jarred my teeth loose. I quickly bought one of those universal tractor seats and saved my teeth.

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Den N Ms

01-29-2023 08:53:05

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to K5_489, 01-29-2023 08:08:44

K5_489 , 1. is to keep rain and snow off of the seat especially with a cushion on it.

2. when standing up on the running boards to stretch your legs ect.

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Dean

01-29-2023 08:48:51

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Re: What's the purpose of the 8n flip up seat? in reply to K5_489, 01-29-2023 08:08:44

Flip the seat up to prevent rain water from collecting in pan and/or seat cushion. Prevents wet pants in certain circumstances.

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