1939 N9 Wiring diagram help

Ishmeal

Member
I picked up a N9 Seral # 2387 over the weekend, the 6-volt system was converted to 12-volt and it's a mess. I plan on returning it back to a 6-volt and would like to make it as close to original as possible. Yes, I do understand that the small barrel generators are no longer available, and I will be going with a standard single prong 6-volt generator. Could someone provide the proper wiring diagram that would closely match the 39 and its components? After searching the web, I am unsure of whether it's a system with a voltage cut off switch or a regulator. The diagrams I've found are not specifying it's for a 1939. Thank you in advance.

Adam.
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This is probably as close as you are going to get & will probably have to use a "C' generator instead of the one terminal "B" shown, but wiring still same. The diagram for before 12250 is included so you can easily see the difference.
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(quoted from post at 16:13:58 08/22/22) This is probably as close as you are going to get & will probably have to use a "C' generator instead of the one terminal "B" shown, but wiring still same. The diagram for before 12250 is included so you can easily see the difference.
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Thank you JMOR.
 
HiYa Ishmeal -
Kudos on your early '39 9N FORD-FERGUSON TRACTOR. Make sure you are looking in the right place for the engine serial number but I do see many of the correct 39
identifiers on yours. Many early 9Ns have been restored but only less than a handful have been done correctly to OEM all original. JMOR provided you with his
excellent wiring PICTOGRAMS but as you are aware, finding the 9N-10000-A GEN that used a VR is going to be the hardest to find. Even the 9N-10000-B GEN is rare as
hens teeth nowadays. So, yes, you will probably have to use the 9N-10000-C GEN and with the Round-Can Cutout until you possibly find the A or B unit. I have an OEM
9N-C all rebuilt and restored to OEM Specs for sale, and includes the fan belt tensioning bracket as well. On yours I see 32 Hat Rims; the snap-in battery cover; and
the early dash w/start button on LH and Key Switch on RH. Other early 9N features are: fuel tank fill port central on unit; 20-amp AMMETER; Muffler Shield; double
ribbed fenders; 5/8 dia screw-on chromed ball on shifter lever; hydraulic oil fill port on top of shifter cover; non-pressurized large body radiator with STANT Cap;
brass Sediment Bulb assembly; smooth rear axle hubs; 4-Spoke Steering Wheel; horizontal bar aluminum grille; Voltage Regulator mounted on lower steering box behind the
dash; and more. The good news is that if you do find an early 9N-A GEN but do not have the correct OEM VR, you can use the later NAA VR, p/n FAG10505, as it is the
same B-Circuit design. You will just have to modify the mounting of it. You cannot use the Round-Can Cutout with the 9N-A early 2-Wire GEN as it is a B Circuit
design and requires the Voltage Regulator. All 9N/2Ns after s/n 12500 were basically the same 1-Wire/3-Brush, A Circuit, with the cutout circuit. All 9N and 2Ns
used a 1-Wire Starter Motor an NO solenoid. Also, the 4-Spoke Steering Wheel and the aluminum horizontal bar grille are repopped today and will do just fine. In
addition to the OEM 9N-10000-C GEN I have for sale, there is an OEM brass Sediment Bulb; OEM 30-AMP LOOP AMMETER, 50 PSI Oil Pressure Gauge; and a Marvel-Schebler
TSX-33 Carb; but Ive sold all the other early 9N stuff I had. I can rebuild you M/S carb and front mount distributor too.
You need to get copies of the ESSENTIAL MANUALS before you do anything else. DO NOT START BUYTING ANY OTHER NEW PARTS. The 1940 MPC and 1941 MPC have most of the
detailed parts listed. I have all manuals I can email in pdf if you desire. I can help you in the right direction if you want. There is much more you to need to know
before starting this project. My email is open if you want to discuss offline further.

HENRY FORD DEMONSTRATES THE 1939 9N, JUNE 29, 1939:
kvjiF4Al.jpg
NOTE: HORIZONTAL BAR ALUMINUM GRILLE.

EDSEL FORD DEMONSTRATES 9N & PLOWING AT FAIR LANE, DEARBORN, MI JUNE 1939:
7OR9J7Yl.jpg
NOTE: DOUBLE RIBBED FENDERS.


PARTIAL LIST OF EARLY FORD 9N TRACTOR IDENTIFIERS:

SNAP-IN BATTERY:
WRb6PrHl.jpg

4-SPOKE STEERING WHEEL:
Tq0fhOul.jpg

EARLY 9N DASH IGNITION ON LAMP; LIGHT SWITCH; & START PUSHBUTTON LH; IGN KEY RH:
E7DH0oxl.jpg

EARLY FORD AMMETER; 9N-10850-A, 20 AMP:
j4aWPDql.jpg

CAST IRON GOVERNOR w/NO OIL LINE:
NQJlZl9l.jpg
bpJTt3nl.jpg

BRASS SEDIMENT BULB:
wUEZtoBl.jpg
leiw20ml.jpg

FUEL TANK w/ FILL PORT CENTRAL:
lS9AAD3l.jpg

EARLY FORD 9N HYDRAULIC OIL DIPSTICK AND FILL PORT:
MktkTaSl.jpg


MARVEL-SCHEBLER TSX-33 CARB:
uUy7juCl.jpg

MUFFLER SHIELD:
lY0e7vzl.jpg

9N-10000-A GENERATOR:
AtBU9Tvl.jpg

9N-10000-C GENERATOR w/BELT TENSIONER OPTION:
khxG5iJl.jpg

9N-10505-A VOLTAGE REGULATOR:
NotAgCLl.jpg

9N LOWER STEERING BOX VOLTAGE REGULATOR MOUNT BOSSES:
QrzRWDBl.jpg

9N-10505-B CUTOUT, AFTER S/N 12500:
U2VXum1l.jpg

9N-11001 STARTER MOTOR, 1-WIRE & NO SOLENOID:
TdPrmlil.jpg

9N NON-FLIP PAN SEAT, 9-HOLE:
CGdk8frl.jpg

The 9N-10505-A VR was mounted on the lower steering box on two cast bosses with two hex bolts. When the 9N-B GEN was released, it now was a 1-Wire/3-Brush unit and
used the new roundcan cutout. FORD offered a bracket that mounted to the two bosses that could now also fasten the cutout to. I have a drawing spec and is in my
document on early 9N GENS I wrote. If you want a copy, I can send it as well.

FORD 9N TRACTOR ESSENTIAL OWNER/OPERATOR/PARTS/SERVICE MANUALS:
BewamwZl.jpg


Tim Daley(MI)
 
(quoted from post at 05:17:46 08/23/22) HiYa Ishmeal -
Kudos on your early '39 9N FORD-FERGUSON TRACTOR. Make sure you are looking in the right place for the engine serial number but I do see many of the correct 39
identifiers on yours. Many early 9Ns have been restored but only less than a handful have been done correctly to OEM all original. JMOR provided you with his
excellent wiring PICTOGRAMS but as you are aware, finding the 9N-10000-A GEN that used a VR is going to be the hardest to find. Even the 9N-10000-B GEN is rare as
hens teeth nowadays. So, yes, you will probably have to use the 9N-10000-C GEN and with the Round-Can Cutout until you possibly find the A or B unit. I have an OEM
9N-C all rebuilt and restored to OEM Specs for sale, and includes the fan belt tensioning bracket as well. On yours I see 32 Hat Rims; the snap-in battery cover; and
the early dash w/start button on LH and Key Switch on RH. Other early 9N features are: fuel tank fill port central on unit; 20-amp AMMETER; Muffler Shield; double
ribbed fenders; 5/8 dia screw-on chromed ball on shifter lever; hydraulic oil fill port on top of shifter cover; non-pressurized large body radiator with STANT Cap;
brass Sediment Bulb assembly; smooth rear axle hubs; 4-Spoke Steering Wheel; horizontal bar aluminum grille; Voltage Regulator mounted on lower steering box behind the
dash; and more. The good news is that if you do find an early 9N-A GEN but do not have the correct OEM VR, you can use the later NAA VR, p/n FAG10505, as it is the
same B-Circuit design. You will just have to modify the mounting of it. You cannot use the Round-Can Cutout with the 9N-A early 2-Wire GEN as it is a B Circuit
design and requires the Voltage Regulator. All 9N/2Ns after s/n 12500 were basically the same 1-Wire/3-Brush, A Circuit, with the cutout circuit. All 9N and 2Ns
used a 1-Wire Starter Motor an NO solenoid. Also, the 4-Spoke Steering Wheel and the aluminum horizontal bar grille are repopped today and will do just fine. In
addition to the OEM 9N-10000-C GEN I have for sale, there is an OEM brass Sediment Bulb; OEM 30-AMP LOOP AMMETER, 50 PSI Oil Pressure Gauge; and a Marvel-Schebler
TSX-33 Carb; but Ive sold all the other early 9N stuff I had. I can rebuild you M/S carb and front mount distributor too.
You need to get copies of the ESSENTIAL MANUALS before you do anything else. DO NOT START BUYTING ANY OTHER NEW PARTS. The 1940 MPC and 1941 MPC have most of the
detailed parts listed. I have all manuals I can email in pdf if you desire. I can help you in the right direction if you want. There is much more you to need to know
before starting this project. My email is open if you want to discuss offline further.

HENRY FORD DEMONSTRATES THE 1939 9N, JUNE 29, 1939:
<center><img src=https://i.imgur.com/kvjiF4Al.jpg></center>
NOTE: HORIZONTAL BAR ALUMINUM GRILLE.

EDSEL FORD DEMONSTRATES 9N & PLOWING AT FAIR LANE, DEARBORN, MI JUNE 1939:
<center><img src=https://i.imgur.com/7OR9J7Yl.jpg></center>
NOTE: DOUBLE RIBBED FENDERS.


PARTIAL LIST OF EARLY FORD 9N TRACTOR IDENTIFIERS:

SNAP-IN BATTERY:
<center><img src=https://i.imgur.com/WRb6PrHl.jpg></center>

4-SPOKE STEERING WHEEL:
<center><img src=https://i.imgur.com/Tq0fhOul.jpg></center>

EARLY 9N DASH IGNITION ON LAMP; LIGHT SWITCH; & START PUSHBUTTON LH; IGN KEY RH:
<center><img src=https://i.imgur.com/E7DH0oxl.jpg></center>

EARLY FORD AMMETER; 9N-10850-A, 20 AMP:
<center><img src=https://i.imgur.com/j4aWPDql.jpg></center>

CAST IRON GOVERNOR w/NO OIL LINE:
<center><img src=https://i.imgur.com/NQJlZl9l.jpg></center>
<center><img src=https://i.imgur.com/bpJTt3nl.jpg></center>

BRASS SEDIMENT BULB:
<center><img src=https://i.imgur.com/wUEZtoBl.jpg></center>
<center><img src=https://i.imgur.com/leiw20ml.jpg></center>

FUEL TANK w/ FILL PORT CENTRAL:
<center><img src=https://i.imgur.com/lS9AAD3l.jpg></center>

EARLY FORD 9N HYDRAULIC OIL DIPSTICK AND FILL PORT:
<center><img src=https://i.imgur.com/MktkTaSl.jpg></center>


MARVEL-SCHEBLER TSX-33 CARB:
<center><img src=https://i.imgur.com/uUy7juCl.jpg></center>

MUFFLER SHIELD:
<center><img src=https://i.imgur.com/lY0e7vzl.jpg></center>

9N-10000-A GENERATOR:
<center><img src=https://i.imgur.com/AtBU9Tvl.jpg></center>

9N-10000-C GENERATOR w/BELT TENSIONER OPTION:
<center><img src=https://i.imgur.com/khxG5iJl.jpg></center>

9N-10505-A VOLTAGE REGULATOR:
<center><img src=https://i.imgur.com/NotAgCLl.jpg></center>

9N LOWER STEERING BOX VOLTAGE REGULATOR MOUNT BOSSES:
<center><img src=https://i.imgur.com/QrzRWDBl.jpg></center>

9N-10505-B CUTOUT, AFTER S/N 12500:
<center><img src=https://i.imgur.com/U2VXum1l.jpg></center>

9N-11001 STARTER MOTOR, 1-WIRE & NO SOLENOID:
<center><img src=https://i.imgur.com/TdPrmlil.jpg></center>

9N NON-FLIP PAN SEAT, 9-HOLE:
<center><img src=https://i.imgur.com/CGdk8frl.jpg></center>

The 9N-10505-A VR was mounted on the lower steering box on two cast bosses with two hex bolts. When the 9N-B GEN was released, it now was a 1-Wire/3-Brush unit and
used the new roundcan cutout. FORD offered a bracket that mounted to the two bosses that could now also fasten the cutout to. I have a drawing spec and is in my
document on early 9N GENS I wrote. If you want a copy, I can send it as well.

FORD 9N TRACTOR ESSENTIAL OWNER/OPERATOR/PARTS/SERVICE MANUALS:
<center><img src=https://i.imgur.com/BewamwZl.jpg></center>


Tim Daley(MI)

Good morning Tim, thank you. Some stuff is there, most is gone, the hard-to-find items. Fuel tank, fenders, radiator & cap, seat, adjustable center link on the left side are there, I have to look at the AMMETER. I am sure there are some things I am forgetting. I made an on-the-spot decision to purchase the tractor without it running... Yesterday I got it running and it runs great, the downside is the clutch is stuck, shot or not installed correctly. The upside is the engine and trans are 166 production numbers apart. I had assistance/advice from Kirk NJ in identifying important items. Thank you Kirk...

Adam.
 

Hello Tim, in the photos you included a picture of a voltage regulator that is used on the 1939, is there a replacement unit and if so, do you have a part number? Thank you. Adam.
 

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