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A piece of 8N history: X-8N1

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Jimps

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Owned by a private collector with a LOT of Ford antiques. He asked to not be identified but allowed me to post some pics.

Jimps in GA.


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Of course, a prototype might have gotten a unique stamping and designation, BUT those numbers/letters are not stamped in the font Ford typically used in that era
nor are they arraigned in a sequence or location that follows Ford's usual method of recording production numbers. The spot where the stamping would normally go
also looks ''weird'', like its been covered up or repaired?

Count me as skeptical, but I do wish I had a few of those batteries!
 
(quoted from post at 15:46:42 08/11/22) Looking at the right side of the engine, I see a block off for a fuel pump, so, industrial?
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ot an indicator since what you see is just a raised part of block casting and is on all 8N blocks. No drilled & tapped holes bolting on a blockoff plate or pump.
 
The owner bought it from the Ford museum in Dearborn along with ALOT of vehicles and parts. He told me that it was a prototype for the new 8N series, so it may not look like the final product.

I took my 1928 "restored" Model A Sport Coupe to him yesterday to get technical advice and valuation. He didn't want to buy it since he already has over 50 Model A's (Mine's for sale). I only saw one room, in one building of many on his property. He has ALOT of Ford tractors and other vehicles. He is a Ford fanatic! I haven't seen it all yet. He has offered to give me a personal tour when I have time.

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If interested, I have the original trunk for the Model A also. Date: 8/16/1928. Still 6V Positive ground. With rumble seat, of course!

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Jimps in GA.
 
Now that is a very nice ''A'' Sport Coupe! I always liked the earlier, non-''port-hole'' version. And that colour combo too. Its also nice to see a Model ''A'''
without cowl lights, a grille guard and dual side-mounts every once and awhile!

Coincidentally, I am looking for a nice 1928 ''A'' myself, but the one I'm looking for is my hands-down favourite Ford of all time- a no-frills 40A Standard
Roadster (yes, the photograph is a '29, but if you ignore the teacup Duolamp tailight and those outside handles...)
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My first car was a red & black '29 coupe, painted w/what looked like a 4" brush! My dad gave it to me for Christmas when I was 15 1/2 w/the stipulation of "I want the engine & brakes overhauled by the time you turn 16 & it will pass my inspection or I'll sell it!"
Now I'm 79 & still overhauling old Fords, but at least most are overhead valve now!
 
(quoted from post at 13:04:24 08/11/22)
(quoted from post at 15:46:42 08/11/22) Not an indicator since what you see is just a raised part of block casting and is on all 8N blocks. No drilled & tapped holes bolting on a blockoff plate or pump.
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Thanks for that JMOR. Always learning.
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Highly questionable. These fakes pop up on occasion. All experimental tractors were used on FORD Farms then destroyed. This comes from Harold Brock himself. Also, FORD
used the capital letter I for the numeral #1 in the hand stamping set for serial numbers. This shows an obvious #1. Whats up with the fan belt? Looks like either the
GEN, water pump, or the crank pulley is misaligned.

Tim Daley(MI)
 
After comparing my 1948 8N serial number location, font, and a few other abnormalities with the picture above, I too am skeptical of this being authentic.
 

Funny that the assumptions that it is likely a fake is based on the premise that the entire Ford organization at the time only had one font style of stamps.

And that every department within the Ford organization always without waver never stamped anything with the letters and numbers in the wrong order, location, sequence, etc.

Nevermind the thought that there might be authenticated paperwork that has not been disclosed.
 
Ford used their own unique font on their metal stamps so scammers couldnt easily duplicate or falsify their numbers. And they stamped them on the appropriate pad,
and in a standardized format (''*8N1*'') for consistency.

Whoever stamped that block didnt get this memo...
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Those rules might have been for production units for sale to the public.
Experimental, test mules, prototypes made by that department may not have ever adhered to such rules.
Since they supposedly were supposed to be destroyed.

I can understand it to be possible that HF himself told the crew to send it to the family farm when they were done with it.
And from there it ended up in the mus warehouse.
And eventually sold off.

This post was edited by DoubleO7 on 08/15/2022 at 06:17 pm.
 
That bright dot on the bellhousing, just behind the exhaust pipe sure looks like the bolt securing the cover over the timing hole on a post 1950 block.

I would love to see the casting date code on the other side of that bellhousing!
 
(quoted from post at 08:20:33 08/16/22) That bright dot on the bellhousing, just behind the exhaust pipe sure looks like the bolt securing the cover over the timing hole on a post 1950 block.

I would love to see the casting date code on the other side of that bellhousing!
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The clutch pivot is not the early 47 style as with the radius rod pins . Could have been changed ? John Smith said the early 8n's did not have "8N" cast into the block behind the starter . I am not sure but it looks like this block may have the "8N" cast into it .

https://fordtractorcollectors.com/identify-my-tractor/tractor-id-history/
 
Why would a side mount block have the oil filler tube on the corner of the block? It's obviously a front mount block!

This post was edited by Louis A on 08/18/2022 at 06:51 pm.
 
(quoted from post at 19:39:47 08/18/22)
(quoted from post at 08:20:33 08/16/22) That bright dot on the bellhousing, just behind the exhaust pipe sure looks like the bolt securing the cover over the timing hole on a post 1950 block.

I would love to see the casting date code on the other side of that bellhousing!
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The clutch pivot is not the early 47 style as with the radius rod pins . Could have been changed ? John Smith said the early 8n's did not have "8N" cast into the block behind the starter . I am not sure but it looks like this block may have the "8N" cast into it .

https://fordtractorcollectors.com/identify-my-tractor/tractor-id-history/
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have had interaction with John Smith & if he said it, you can put it in the bank!
 
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