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Secret to Starting a 2N in the Cold Weather

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wsmm

11-21-2021 16:32:20




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I have a 2N that has been a real bear in the past few years to start in the cold weather making me hesitant to use it for anything. It has a back blade and a front loader and I would like to able to move or rearrange snow. I have a 1/2 ton 4x4 with a 7.6 blade for the plowing, but would like to use the 2N in certain spots for clean up. Last year I started it a few times be heating the manifold with either a halogen light or or a propane catalytic heater. Keep both the heater and light a foot or so away from the manifold. The 2N is stored in an unheated pole barn and I keep a battery maintainer or it. Have 10w/30 oil in it.

Also any secrets to keeping the carb from icing up. Will the carb icing kill the engine until the carb warms up.

Thanks for any and all help,
Bill

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jimtrs

11-26-2021 15:12:28




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 Re: Secret to Starting a 2N in the Cold Weather in reply to wsmm, 11-21-2021 16:32:20  
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Hot enough yet?



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Den N Ms

11-26-2021 13:51:48




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 Re: Secret to Starting a 2N in the Cold Weather in reply to wsmm, 11-21-2021 16:32:20  
Yep thats the way to get one started,Heat the intake manifold up with a propane torch.I have used this process for many years in cold weather,works great.Try it next time you start in cold weather.
Just be sure you have NO fuel leaks before hand!
Use common seance LoL

This post was edited by Den N Ms on 11/26/2021 at 06:41 pm.



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Abbby

11-26-2021 11:14:28




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 Re: Secret to Starting a 2N in the Cold Weather in reply to wsmm, 11-21-2021 16:32:20  
All the owners living in blue sky worlds where the tractor just always start will poo-poo this information. Best thing is to have an engine heater. One in the lower radiator hose works just fine. No need for all that complicated circulating systems. Plug in and 30 minutes later starts likes its 50F out. Forget to plug in and need right now? Take a small hand held propane torch and heat up the intake manifold for a few minutes. starts right up like its 50F out.

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fusion1

11-26-2021 05:31:47




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 Re: Secret to Starting a 2N in the Cold Weather in reply to wsmm, 11-21-2021 16:32:20  
Have you tried gasoline with no ethanol
I noticed a big difference in my 8N also you may want to try a 8 volt battery
how long has it been since you gave it a good tube up



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8NHENRY

11-23-2021 22:20:31




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 Re: Secret to Starting a 2N in the Cold Weather in reply to wsmm, 11-21-2021 16:32:20  
I use one of ol Del's tricks that he suggested. Put a heat lamp on the manifold/carb for a hour or so before you plan to start it. I have done this for 4 years No and it always pop star righe off.



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Jim WI

11-22-2021 14:36:03




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This is EXCELLENT advice. I tried to start my 2N in below 10 F weather one winter. It just would not run. It was warmer the next day 30F. It started right up. After using most of the summer gas that was in the tank I filled with winter gas. No other changes. No problems the rest of the winter - even the -10 F day I started it to move it out of the way.

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Tramway Guy

11-22-2021 13:05:30




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 Re: Secret to Starting a 2N in the Cold Weather in reply to wsmm, 11-21-2021 16:32:20  
I think it helps to have the folo-thru starter drive instead of the original style. It keeps the bendix from kicking out when it fires once or twice, instead it keeps going till the engines actually running on its own.



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Jerrycpp

11-22-2021 08:15:36




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 Re: Secret to Starting a 2N in the Cold Weather in reply to wsmm, 11-21-2021 16:32:20  
This is what has worked down to -20 degrees F on my 6-volt '50 8N for well over 60 years: Fuel valve on; with switch off, pull choke, turn engine 4 revolutions; switch on, be ready with choke, push stater button.



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lha

11-22-2021 14:27:17




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 Re: Secret to Starting a 2N in the Cold Weather in reply to Jerrycpp, 11-22-2021 08:15:36  
I got used to doing this on an old '48 Dodge truck that I drove to work for years. It had a 6cyl flathead with 6v+g and was hard startng when cold. An old Fart showed me this trick in about '70.



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Tim PloughNman Daley

11-22-2021 05:14:43




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 Re: Secret to Starting a 2N in the Cold Weather in reply to wsmm, 11-21-2021 16:32:20  
Icing up on the outside of the carb in cold weather while operating will not hurt a thing -that's normal. It's not a moisture inside issue, it is a physics thing - outside temp vs. hot engine temp. Removing and cleaning the carb is part of your annual PM on these N's. Yes the OEM M/S carbs are cast iron but have only ever found one with rust inside and that was from a tractor that had sat outside for 25 years. here's a few pix of what it was like before and after I rebuilt it, and it was perfectly functioning after the rebuild.

FORD TRACTOR 9N-9510 MARVEL-SCHEBLER TSX-241 CARB; BEFORE:



AFTER:





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Phil N

11-22-2021 03:28:23




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 Re: Secret to Starting a 2N in the Cold Weather in reply to wsmm, 11-21-2021 16:32:20  


Notice in the Carb cutaway picture, there is a small passage starting at the bowl gasket parting line and goes straight down to the atomizer tube passage (shown in green ). The carb casting is made of cast iron and this passage gets rusty and gets partially or completely blocked causing hard starts especially cold. The passage shown in yellow going up from the idle mixture screw and into the throat can also be a problem. The picture is a Zenith Carb but the Marvel carbs have the same passages in the same area. Carefully remove, disassemble, and clean carb especially these fine passages. Run a fine wire thru and blast with carb cleaner and compressed air.

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Phil N

11-22-2021 12:46:55




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 Re: Secret to Starting a 2N in the Cold Weather in reply to Phil N, 11-22-2021 03:28:23  
My tractor DID sit in the weather for a few years before I got it and the inside of the Carb casting had some rust. I did a carb clean up and rebuild kit. I missed the passage in green in the picture in my earlier post. It ran OK but started hard, especially cold starts. I took the carb apart again and thoroughly cleaned all passages. Then it started very well every time. That was 21 years ago and I haven't had to touch the carb again since. Of course the Ignition and electrical system was all gone through 21 years ago with a 12 V conversion, 10 SI Delco alternator with built in electronic regulator, and a Pertronix Electronic Distributor conversion. All has worked great for the 21 years. It is garaged and it's an Allis Chalmers WD with Zenith Carb. 6V died with Elvis.

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Tim PloughNman Daley

11-22-2021 02:36:24




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 Re: Secret to Starting a 2N in the Cold Weather in reply to wsmm, 11-21-2021 16:32:20  
#1 should be to keep a fully charged battery by using a Float Charger when tractor is idle. Cold will drain a battery fast. I use the Deltran Battery Tender, about $30 at Wally World. The other methods as mentioned help too but keep safety in mind. I once had to put a neighbor's fire out when he thought he'd put a trouble light directly on his battery. It melted the case and when he saw the smoke coming out as he sat in his kitchen as it 'warmed up' and he panicked and called me for help. He was lucky he didn't explode the battery then he'd have a real mess. There is a difference between a float charger and a trickle charger so understand how each works. If you keep the tractor stored in a unheated barn, that should not be a problem. I never had a problem stating in cold weather just by keeping the battery charged and never used any of those other methods mentioned and I'm in Michigan where it gets cold for sure. The novelty of using your N to plow snow with wears off fast. If you have a nice 4 x4 with a heated cab with a snow blade, I know what I was be using! Some winters are milder than others so may only have to plow a few times all winter and other years it may snow every other day and you're out there 3,4,5 times week. Being in a warm, comfy, 4 x 4 with a Thermos of hot coffee and the old 8-Tracks playing - can't beat that!


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11-21-2021 22:49:01




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 Re: Secret to Starting a 2N in the Cold Weather in reply to wsmm, 11-21-2021 16:32:20  
If your sparkies are in good working order then Wore Out in his post below has it right.
Put a coolant heater in the lower radiator hose. Cold temps reduce the volatility of the fuel/air mixture in the combustion chamber. Heating the coolant around the combustion chamber increases volatility and makes them start better. Since I rarely need to start mine on a moment's notice I plug it in for an hour or two and it will fire right off. Even down to temps well below 0.

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Dean

11-21-2021 20:21:33




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 Re: Secret to Starting a 2N in the Cold Weather in reply to wsmm, 11-21-2021 16:32:20  
One thing that many (most?) do not consider is the gasoline.

You must have fresh, winter formula gasoline in the tank.

Starting one of these low compression engines in cold temperatures with summer formula gasoline in the tank is an exercise in futility.

Dean



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HarryVanderpool

11-21-2021 17:12:26




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How cold?



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wore out

11-21-2021 17:01:13




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 Re: Secret to Starting a 2N in the Cold Weather in reply to wsmm, 11-21-2021 16:32:20  
A lower radiator hose coolant heater should solve the cold starting problem and make for a quicker warmup.

Does it have a working thermostat?



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