8N oil pressure, compression, and hard starting

Brians 8N

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I would greatly appreciate any advice/words of wisdom from all of you Ford "N" series guys.

I have an 8N with a front mount distributor converted to 12 volt with low oil pressure and weak compression that always started easy but now doesn't. I have many questions and nobody local that I can go to. My tractor is 2 hours away from where I live and I am considering an overhaul but I have questions. This tractor was running good and started easy until a month ago when it just decided not to start. The battery does hold a charge and the only way I can get it started is by jumping the battery and spraying starting fluid in. I do not smell gas like it is flooded and when I take out the plugs, #1 and #2 are a little wet and #3 and #4 are dry.

Spark is weak and everything has been replaced. Spark plugs, points and condenser. I have not replaced the coil yet, I have one but I do not like the way it fits ( it seems loose when I swing the clamp in place).

I have 12.4 volts at the wire that connects to the post on the coil but when I hook up the wire to the coil the voltage drops down to 1.4 volts indicating that I must have a short but I do not know where to start looking or what to look for.

Starter wants to stay engaged after releasing start button. Tapping on the starter/solenoid makes it stop. Why would this happen?

Compression, dry checked (with cold engine since I can't start it) is 85, 77, 85, and 85 (#1-#4). Next time I go up to cabin I will conduct a wet test.

Oil pressure is low after warm up. Starts at around 30 psi but after warm up goes down to around 5 psi at around 1000 rpm (at idle it's around 2 psi, just above 0). I have been doing some reading and main bearings/rod bearings are probably the culprit. What about cam shaft? Can this wear out? I don't see any replacement camshafts available or what to do if the journals are worn.
I run SAE30 non-detergent oil and I am considering running conventional higher viscosity oil but I am afraid of years of sludge breaking free and ruining more of the engine. Can I drain the oil, fill it with kerosene, let it soak for the winter, drain it in the spring and fill it back up with conventional oil or is that a crazy idea?

Everything else on this tractor works great (considering age). I don't want to stick any more money trying to resolve the spark issue until I look at the entire package. I would have to haul this back home since there is no easy way to pull the engine out where it currently is but could possibly do an in-frame rebuild. The issue would be taking the thing apart, deciding what is needed, ordering parts and if I have all the necessary tools.

I have tried to explain, in as much detail as I could, what is going on with my tractor and I would greatly appreciate feedback.
 
(quoted from post at 10:56:15 09/12/21) I would greatly appreciate any advice/words of wisdom from all of you Ford "N" series guys.

I have an 8N with a front mount distributor converted to 12 volt with low oil pressure and weak compression that always started easy but now doesn't. I have many questions and nobody local that I can go to. My tractor is 2 hours away from where I live and I am considering an overhaul but I have questions. This tractor was running good and started easy until a month ago when it just decided not to start. The battery does hold a charge and the only way I can get it started is by jumping the battery and spraying starting fluid in. I do not smell gas like it is flooded and when I take out the plugs, #1 and #2 are a little wet and #3 and #4 are dry.

Spark is weak and everything has been replaced. Spark plugs, points and condenser. I have not replaced the coil yet, I have one but I do not like the way it fits ( it seems loose when I swing the clamp in place).

I have 12.4 volts at the wire that connects to the post on the coil but when I hook up the wire to the coil the voltage drops down to 1.4 volts indicating that I must have a short but I do not know where to start looking or what to look for.

Starter wants to stay engaged after releasing start button. Tapping on the starter/solenoid makes it stop. Why would this happen?

Compression, dry checked (with cold engine since I can't start it) is 85, 77, 85, and 85 (#1-#4). Next time I go up to cabin I will conduct a wet test.

Oil pressure is low after warm up. Starts at around 30 psi but after warm up goes down to around 5 psi at around 1000 rpm (at idle it's around 2 psi, just above 0). I have been doing some reading and main bearings/rod bearings are probably the culprit. What about cam shaft? Can this wear out? I don't see any replacement camshafts available or what to do if the journals are worn.
I run SAE30 non-detergent oil and I am considering running conventional higher viscosity oil but I am afraid of years of sludge breaking free and ruining more of the engine. Can I drain the oil, fill it with kerosene, let it soak for the winter, drain it in the spring and fill it back up with conventional oil or is that a crazy idea?

Everything else on this tractor works great (considering age). I don't want to stick any more money trying to resolve the spark issue until I look at the entire package. I would have to haul this back home since there is no easy way to pull the engine out where it currently is but could possibly do an in-frame rebuild. The issue would be taking the thing apart, deciding what is needed, ordering parts and if I have all the necessary tools.

I have tried to explain, in as much detail as I could, what is going on with my tractor and I would greatly appreciate feedback.
As far as the solenoid goes, it sounds like it is sticking, replace it!! simple. As the engine with low compression and low oil pressure it sounds like it4 is time to overhaul it, but it may be cheaper to buy a good running tractor instead!
 
Hi Brian, I think you did a great job at explaining everything.
First of all, that voltage drop may be normal if the points are closed, which they probably are. Did you run a little piece of something like a brown paper bag through the new points? Also you say the spare coil (12 volts?) fits loose. Does it have the gasket under it? I would go ahead and try it anyway just to see what happens, also the new condenser could be bad.
As for all the other problems, your engine is tired, and like Bob G. said the solenoid is sticking. You can prove that by giving it a whack with a screwdriver handle the next time the starter runs on. If you can get the old boy running and you need to use it, I would run 20-50 wt oil in it. I wouldn't get too worried about gunk and sludge getting loose, you've got nothing to loose really. I realize it's two hours away, but let us know your progress when you can.
 
(quoted from post at 11:56:15 09/12/21)
I have 12.4 volts at the wire that connects to the post on the coil but when I hook up the wire to the coil the voltage drops down to 1.4 volts indicating that I must have a short but I do not know where to start looking or what to look for.
A 12 volt battery is about 75% charged at 12.4 volts. Still, this should be enough to start an N.

The "short" that you are looking for is someplace in the distributor. Either the points were closed when you took the measurement, or something else is shorting across the points. Does the voltage change if you bump the engine? (Or turn it with the fan belt?) If it changes between 1.4 volts and battery voltage as you turn the engine, the distributor is likely OK. If it's always that low voltage, part of the problem is in the distributor (the points may be stuck closed or shorted somehow).

The other part of the problem is that 1.4 volts with the points closed is too low. If this is a 6-volt coil the voltage with the points closed should be closer to 3.5 volts. If a 12-volt coil it should be even higher. Do you know if you have a 6-volt or 12-volt coil installed?

Two things can can cause low voltage at the coil terminal with the points closed.
1) Too much resistance between the battery and the coil. Do you have the OEM ballast resistor AND a second conversion resistor installed? This is correct if you have a 6-volt coil, but wrong if you have a 12-volt coil.
2) A defective coil with too little resistance. (Some of the internal windings are shorted.)

In either case, you could swap the coil with the new one to see how the voltage changes. Do you know if the new coil is a 6-volt or 12-volt coil?

This post was edited by Jim WI on 09/13/2021 at 05:35 pm.
 

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