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Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N

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528NfromVA

01-13-2021 06:55:49




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I want to tow a trailer around the property for loading logs, brush, firewood, etc. I was looking at an attachment similar to the one pictured here. The trailer is a 6x12 dual axle trailer. Will this work okay for that use? Will the limit on the PTO lifting be exceeded if I have a heavy load of firewood?




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Kirk-NJ

01-16-2021 02:28:11




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 Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N in reply to 528NfromVA, 01-13-2021 06:55:49  
Somebody was making these up. Similar to industrial hitch.



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528NfromVA

01-16-2021 05:08:52




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 Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N in reply to Kirk-NJ, 01-16-2021 02:28:11  
Thatís a nice looking setup. Where did you get that picture? Anyone have a website where they are selling those?



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Kirk-NJ

01-16-2021 05:38:36




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 Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N in reply to 528NfromVA, 01-16-2021 05:08:52  
Can't remember if the guy ever made them for resale on just his own use



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Ultradog MN

01-14-2021 10:19:35




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 Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N in reply to 528NfromVA, 01-13-2021 06:55:49  
And in the "for what it's worth" department... Ford actually built a unit for moving trailers around.
A hydraulically operated automatic pick-up hitch was an option on the 1965 and newer 2,3 and 4000s.
It didn't interfere with either the drawbar or the 3 point and was tucked in close to the rear axle for maximum lift and safety.
No parts are available for them any more but they still show the unit on the parts diagrams.
I have never seen one.
Part # 24 is what actually did the lifting/towing.


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jimtrs

01-14-2021 09:37:28




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 Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N in reply to 528NfromVA, 01-13-2021 06:55:49  
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Reconsider using the swinging drawbar to move a trailer as heavy as one with firewood.

Way Too Dangerous. Learn about all the dangers before doing this.

There have been safety concerns mentioned in this thread. Heed their warning.

You know how many accidents there has ben because the way being done was "easier"? Lot's. Betting almost all.

If your criteria for the chores you mention is based on "easy" being the most important, reconsider doing any of them. While you can make these chores more efficient with a tractor, do so with safety being the number one factor.

Even seemingly simple easy tasks can quickly become dangerous on a tractor, even under the best of conditions. Add a few conditions that aren't ideal .....

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Correct. You won't find one. Tells you something.....

The holes in a drawbar should not be used as ball mounts. They are for locating the swinging drawbar position side to side.

The system of towing from an eleven hole drawbar with drawbar stays is borderline crazy. Just cause it can be done doesn't mean it should.

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Indiana Ken

01-14-2021 06:42:58




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 Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N in reply to 528NfromVA, 01-13-2021 06:55:49  
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I have a similar hitch I purchased some 5 years back. It comes in very handy to hitch up a trailer since one only has to back up to the trailer then raise the 3 point to hook the trailer. Jump off the tractor and engage the ball latch and you are ready to go. It will swing to the side when backing the trailer so you might want a sway bar to minimize that if you will be doing a lot of backing. I have a 16' dual axle trailer, I have used it with the N many times but never fully loaded. The tractor front end should get light (you can feel it in the steering) before the 3 point lift stalls out.
Posters here have correctly, pointed out the various safety issues. Use caution and common sense.

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528NfromVA

01-14-2021 06:58:14




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 Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N in reply to Indiana Ken, 01-14-2021 06:42:58  
Good to know it does work okay. That was my thought exactly on the ease to hook up. Iíll probably move forward with the swinging draw bar kit. The only concern I have with that is the drawbar holes for the bar listed on this site say 5/8Ē diameter on the end and I canít find a 2-5/16Ē hitch that has a stud size that narrow.



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Bruce(OR)

01-14-2021 05:54:24




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 Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N in reply to 528NfromVA, 01-13-2021 06:55:49  
I have 1/2 dozen or more trailers around here. Four tandem axles and that set up is good enough for moving two of them. The 8N just does not have the weight to move the other two. The typical utility tandem axle trailer or "car carrier" trailer weighs in around 2,000 pounds. No photo's of your's and all this is a good guess. That draw bar set up is a smart way to go and will keep you out of trouble. Add firewood and the weight goes up fast. Stay off the hills. Best of luck.

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Kirk-NJ

01-14-2021 02:13:53




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 Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N in reply to 528NfromVA, 01-13-2021 06:55:49  
This site as well as others have the Hitch you need. If buying used or from people who don't know what they are selling you want the hitch on the right. Hitch on left is for 800/801 models. If you have a 9n/2n you will need something else.

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R Geiger

01-13-2021 14:43:57




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 Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N in reply to 528NfromVA, 01-13-2021 06:55:49  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeThis site sells them, I got one and it works good, but do not pull loaded trailer down any hill to speak of! You will only do it once!



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a32vickyhotrod

01-13-2021 12:44:35




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 Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N in reply to 528NfromVA, 01-13-2021 06:55:49  
A double axle trailer can be in the 6,000 lb range, which in my opinion can be very dangerous for a light weight N.
Plus any substantial weight on the rear can lighten the front end steering. Don't know where you are from, but snow or frozen ground can compound things in a hurry on hills or hill sides.
If you ever experience a trailer pushing you , you will never forget the experience.

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Gaspump

01-13-2021 09:44:56




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 Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N in reply to 528NfromVA, 01-13-2021 06:55:49  
Before I spent any money on that I wood look closely at purchasing an underbody swinging drawbar kit. They sell for about $140 and would be a safer and more versatile choice and it leaves the 3 point out of the picture.



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Ultradog MN

01-13-2021 14:55:18




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 Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N in reply to Gaspump, 01-13-2021 09:44:56  
I agree Gaspump.
The two most important advancements the 8Ns had over the 9/2Ns were position control and a Real drawbar.
A real drawbar will carry more weight, is mounted lower and closer to the chassis and therefore safer to use and doesn't require all the rigamarole sway and stay bars.



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528NfromVA

01-13-2021 10:46:24




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 Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N in reply to Gaspump, 01-13-2021 09:44:56  
I thought that the swinging draw bar still needed to attach to the 3-point hitch. See picture below. That's why I thought the original attachment I posted may work okay. Does anyone have a picture of a set-up where they are pulling a trailer without using the 3-point?



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Michford

01-13-2021 11:19:05




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 Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N in reply to 528NfromVA, 01-13-2021 10:46:24  
This is the back of my 1959 Ford 641, but your 8N could have a similar bracket mount around the PTO shaft, and a bracket under the rear differential for a drawbar. Much safer to pull from this drawbar. Ignore the bar on the three point hitch, it has nothing to do with the drawbar hitch under the rear diffy.



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528NfromVA

01-13-2021 11:30:33




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 Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N in reply to Michford, 01-13-2021 11:19:05  
Thanks Michford and Gas Pump. That picture makes it a lot clearer. I have seen that kit online and I'll be moving in that direction.



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Gaspump

01-13-2021 10:53:27




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 Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N in reply to 528NfromVA, 01-13-2021 10:46:24  
No nothing like that dinosaur. Underbody swinging drawbar kit. Bracket under axle, hangar bolts around PTO. Mounts on 8N's and later. Do a net search for the kit, even TSC sells them.



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Dean

01-13-2021 09:33:17




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 Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N in reply to 528NfromVA, 01-13-2021 06:55:49  
If you use that, do not go down hill without stay (not sway) bars.

People have been killed doing similar things.

Dean



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blackhole49

01-13-2021 08:13:08




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 Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N in reply to 528NfromVA, 01-13-2021 06:55:49  
If I was home I would take a pic. I took a regular draw bar and sway bars for an 8n. Reversed the sway bars and ran them from the mounting pins on the draw bar to the top 3 point mount on the tractor. Leveled the draw bar and welded the triangular assembly in place. Put whatever size ball you want in the bar. It comes on and off the tractor easily and puts no weight on the lift. Only limiting factor is stopping the weight of the trailer.

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Michford

01-13-2021 08:06:42




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 Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N in reply to 528NfromVA, 01-13-2021 06:55:49  
Does your 8N have the fixed height swinging drawbar under the rear axle? You would not need the attachment you showed if you have the under rear axle hitch. The attachment you show has a welded D ring up near the top link connection which is the most dangerous thing about that attachment. If you buy the attachment, do yourself a favor and cut off the D ring. Hooking to that D ring and pulling is a good way to flip the tractor over on yourself and get pinned underneath. You want to pull low with the tractor, do not pull from above the axle.
As far as pulling the trailer with an 8N, between the trailer weight empty and whatever you load onto the trailer, you could outweigh the 8N in short order. The brakes on an 8N are not the greatest when working correctly. How flat is your land? If your land is very hilly, the trailer weight could get you out of control on a hill side. If your land is flat and your brakes work great, you will be alright if you use common sense.

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Dan S (NY)

01-13-2021 09:43:39




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 Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N in reply to Michford, 01-13-2021 08:06:42  
I would agree with the comment about the D ring position. I don't know why they would put an attachment point up that high that you just know someone will hook a chain or rope to and pull something. Really dangerous.



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JMOR

01-13-2021 07:51:24




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 Re: Towing Dual Axle Trailer with 8N in reply to 528NfromVA, 01-13-2021 06:55:49  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeIf you load & for tongue weight of receiver assy, tractor should be OK. You can use stay bars to keep load off hydraulics and to prevent a negative tongue weight from lifting the hitch. Don't let a heavy load push you and tractor down a hill.....that can be deadly.



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R Geiger

01-13-2021 07:48:53




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My thought is by the time you get the ball on, it will be pretty far aft. If you decide to go with what you show I would use chains to support the weight and not the hydraulics. I would use the tow point that is made for the 8n that is attached under the differential.



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