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Dual set-up for my ‘51 8n

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retpopo

01-12-2021 03:54:39




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Just finishing a rebuild. Bought a pair of rear wheel hub adapters part number NCA 1223 A 1. Wheel studs too short. Do I replace those with 1/2 longer or buy the FDS 118 extensions?




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TheOldHokie

01-13-2021 17:58:10




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 Re: Dual set-up for my 51 8n in reply to retpopo, 01-12-2021 03:54:39  
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Thanks!!! Dam close to what i sketched up yesterday. Too thick for laser cutting. Maybe use two .750 spacers per wheel and weld them together. Probably 50% more cut time but material per piece is cheaper so should not be killer expensive. Ill run it through the online system tomorrow to get a ballpark number.

TOH



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TheOldHokie

01-13-2021 08:43:31




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 Re: Dual set-up for my 51 8n in reply to retpopo, 01-12-2021 03:54:39  
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Appreciate the dimensions. I suspect I can get the spacers made at a pretty reasonable cost and a pair will ship anywhere flat rate for $14. Work required to swap studs is part of what I want to investigate. I have to pull the axles on my 8N anyway ;)

Another thought was to use the OEM lugs and nuts to bolt the spacer to the hub and OTS male lug nuts to bolt the outer wheel to the spacer. That would require some machine work that i would like to avoid....

TOH

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Michford

01-13-2021 17:14:21




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 Re: Dual set-up for my 51 8n in reply to TheOldHokie, 01-13-2021 08:43:31  
For TOH - Dimensions for 1156 dual wheel spacer:
7.88" O.D. x 1.50" thick
4.12" I.D.
(8) 1.25" holes through on a 6.00" bolt circle .06 x 45 degree chamfer O.D. & I.D.
Break edges of 1.25" holes

Was thicker than I thought, that will change your estimate.



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Michford

01-13-2021 17:27:37




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 Re: Dual set-up for my 51 8n in reply to Michford, 01-13-2021 17:14:21  
Modern view show a smiley face instead of an 8 in parenthesis for the quantity of the 1.25" holes, not helpful.



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TheOldHokie

01-13-2021 06:09:07




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 Re: Dual set-up for my 51 8n in reply to retpopo, 01-12-2021 03:54:39  
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If you don't mind check the diameter of the holes for the lug adapters while you are at it. I may pursue this idea when I get a chance. I was thinking 8 longer replacement studs might be cheaper than using the M/F adapters.

TOH



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Tim PloughNman Daley

01-14-2021 06:34:32




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 Re: Dual set-up for my 51 8n in reply to TheOldHokie, 01-13-2021 06:09:07  
Ferguson used 9/16 bolt sizes



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Michford

01-13-2021 06:24:46




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 Re: Dual set-up for my 51 8n in reply to TheOldHokie, 01-13-2021 06:09:07  
I'll get full dimensions of the spacer ring tonight. I think there would be a fair amount of disassembly work to be able to press out original rear axle studs and press in longer ones as not sure if longer studs could fit for install without a bit of axle shaft disassembly involving the locking collar. Not cheap, but much easier to stick with special extenders to use with spacer ring.



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TheOldHokie

01-13-2021 01:44:25




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 Re: Dual set-up for my 51 8n in reply to retpopo, 01-12-2021 03:54:39  
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I think you will find aluminum is more expensive. Lug nuts another $100. Plus a grand for tires, rims, and centers. Big wheelin' is not a low budget sport.
TOH



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Kirk-NJ

01-13-2021 06:08:18




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 Re: Dual set-up for my 51 8n in reply to TheOldHokie, 01-13-2021 01:44:25  
Yep tires, rims, center EZ grand if they're firestones



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Kirk-NJ

01-13-2021 01:26:58




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 Re: Dual set-up for my ‘51 8n in reply to retpopo, 01-12-2021 03:54:39  
Yea, what you have is extensions for the power adjusted rims. They are not dual wheel adapters. Holes were counter sunk and IMO had just enough treads to hold the lug nut on. Adding a center disc under it and as you found out bolt are too short. I suppose you could replace all the bolts on your hubs with longer bolts. It would have to have same tread so lug nut would fit in counter sunk holes. You could than mount your rims and adjust the rim on the center disc in or out and hopefully they don't hit or are too wide apart that you can pick up rocks between them.

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DoubleO7

01-12-2021 18:12:12




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 Re: Dual set-up for my 51 8n in reply to retpopo, 01-12-2021 03:54:39  
I have had simple plaate spacers like those processed by ALRO steel supply. They have in house water jet cutting service.

Might check with your local steel supply house.



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TheOldHokie

01-12-2021 16:31:55




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 Re: Dual set-up for my 51 8n in reply to retpopo, 01-12-2021 03:54:39  
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Here is a starting point - instant online quote from a reasonably priced company that I have used in the past:

One pair CNC laser cut from 1" plate: $245 per pair plus shipping.

Ten pair CNC laser cut from 1" plate: $129 per pair plus shipping

I have a local shop that would probably beat that 10 pair price by a substantial amount. I doubt they would consider doing one.

TOH

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Michford

01-13-2021 04:37:13




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 Re: Dual set-up for my 51 8n in reply to TheOldHokie, 01-12-2021 16:31:55  
I think the dual wheel spacer ring is at least 1.25" thick. I will have to measure mine.



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Kirk-NJ

01-13-2021 06:39:22




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 Re: Dual set-up for my 51 8n in reply to Michford, 01-13-2021 04:37:13  
Yep plate is 1 1/4" thick or maybe a hair longer



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Kirk-NJ

01-13-2021 01:31:14




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 Re: Dual set-up for my 51 8n in reply to TheOldHokie, 01-12-2021 16:31:55  
All that money and you still have to buy the adapter lug nuts. Might be cheaper to use aluminum plates in stead of steel.



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retpopo

01-12-2021 15:53:00




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 Re: Dual set-up for my ‘51 8n in reply to retpopo, 01-12-2021 03:54:39  
Mitchford, Yes that’s what I have. Will have to look at a machinist I guess to have them made up. Btw the rebuild went well. Thanks to all who have helped now and in the past



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Michford

01-13-2021 04:38:42




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 Re: Dual set-up for my ‘51 8n in reply to retpopo, 01-12-2021 15:53:00  
Depending on how far away from Michigan you are, I may be interested in the power adjust spacers you have.



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retpopo

01-12-2021 05:09:35




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 Re: Dual set-up for my ‘51 8n in reply to retpopo, 01-12-2021 03:54:39  
Thanks Tim. So what I have is for what exactly?



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Michford

01-12-2021 13:13:37




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 Re: Dual set-up for my ‘51 8n in reply to retpopo, 01-12-2021 05:09:35  
Does this look like what you have? This is a Ford wheel spacer for use with the power adjust rims used with the X00 and X01 series Ford tractors.



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Tim PloughNman Daley

01-14-2021 06:41:26




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 Re: Dual set-up for my ‘51 8n in reply to Michford, 01-12-2021 13:13:37  
Are you the guy from Traverse City who bought my 8N spacers a few months ago? A guy from Utah, Jim Webb used to make them, may have some more on shelf he'd part with, and Steiners used to make them too and also may still have some NOS to get rid of. Anyone interested should contact them. The original poster asked about the 8N dualies.

Tim Daley(MI)



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Michford

01-14-2021 08:31:12




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 Re: Dual set-up for my ‘51 8n in reply to Tim PloughNman Daley, 01-14-2021 06:41:26  
Yes, I bought the dual wheel spacers and extenders from you. I recognized them immediately from the picture you posted and thought gee those look familiar.



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Dean

01-12-2021 05:22:29




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 Re: Dual set-up for my ‘51 8n in reply to retpopo, 01-12-2021 05:09:35  
Who knows without a photo.

That said, many folks mistake the wheel spacers introduced in 55 for use with PA rims for dual wheel adapters. Indeed, they are often marketed as such by unknowing or unscrupulous sellers.

Dean



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Tim PloughNman Daley

01-12-2021 04:20:39




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 Re: Dual set-up for my ‘51 8n in reply to retpopo, 01-12-2021 03:54:39  
For a dually setup you need the wheel stud extenders, p/n 8N-1142 and the spacer, p/n 8N-1156. Introduced with the 8N and used for all models thereafter, note the 8-Bolt Hole Pattern so they will not work on a 9N or 2N. The Stud Extenders are also used on the rear wheel Pie Weights. Finding some often requires a search. A guy on the other site used to make them but no longer into tractors and sold all of his stuff.


FORD 8N (& UP) REAR WHEEL SPACERS & STUD EXTENDERS:


Tim *PloughNman* Daley(MI)

*9N653I* & *8NI55I3*

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steve19438

01-15-2021 11:16:50




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 Re: Dual set-up for my ‘51 8n in reply to Tim PloughNman Daley, 01-12-2021 04:20:39  
do the stud extenders have a part number anywhere ?



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Michford

01-15-2021 18:30:15




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 Re: Dual set-up for my ‘51 8n in reply to steve19438, 01-15-2021 11:16:50  
Diagram from factory parts manual shows 1132, but part number list does not show it. I also did not find anything in master parts catalog that references pie weight parts.



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