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Carburetor curiosity question.

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Btzj02

10-17-2020 06:58:30




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This week I was trying to get a "free" gas generator running. I was researching the carburetor and found the parts I needed. I could not help but notice the thousands of carburetors available and started to wonder if anyone has replaced the original 9,2,8N Carburetor with a new "modern" carburetor. This type of conversion is way beyond my abilities but someone on this forum must have tried...... Maybe has pictures???

JB

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JMOR

10-20-2020 16:12:29




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I do not know , I stumbled across it . I recognized you an GB . I had just assumed one of Y"all put it together .[/quote]Not I.. Interesting.



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Ken(Ark)

10-20-2020 15:01:48




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Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Ken, who is Mark that put all that together?

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I do not know , I stumbled across it . I recognized you an GB . I had just assumed one of Y"all put it together .



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JMOR

10-20-2020 06:26:04




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Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Ken, who is Mark that put all that together?



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Ken(Ark)

10-20-2020 04:13:41




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I have purchased an aftermarket carb from Ebay . Total price w/ shipping & tax $35.63 . My plan is to disassemble it and compare parts . I have 9 Marvel Schebler's in my rebuild box . With the cost of replacement inlet filter $5 , Float $8 , Venruti $11 , and a complete kit $30 , plus shipping I am in for $60 . ( forgot the choke fly assemble is $20 )

https://www.ebay.com/itm/8N9510C-HD-TSX-241-A-B-C-TSX33-Carburetor-Fits-Ford-Tractor-9N-8N-2N-Heavy-Duty/402369720627?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649

Could be cheaper to buy the aftermarket and throw away the top and bottom cases .

It may be sometime this winter when it slows down . I plan on verifying jets sizes , passage diameters and depths , etc . I'll post pics and numbers .

JMOR and GB in MT have already done all the work , Thanks

https://route249.com/2018/09/09/how-to-rebuild-the-marvel-schebler-carburetor/

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Hobo,NC

10-19-2020 17:00:03




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 Re: Carburetor curiosity question. in reply to Btzj02, 10-17-2020 06:58:30  
A local machine shop brought one of those small carbs for his Toyota tow motor. He could not get it to run with out flooding so I got the call, it would run about 15 sec then flood real bad. I took the top off all seamed well I took the top off quite a few times it still flooded after 15 sec. It had an electric fuel pump so I turned the switch on engine off it flooded in 15 sec I then got a good look it was pushing the fuel out the accelerator squirt tube in the throat of the carb : SHOCK : WTF... It was a nice steady stream I then saw the vent on the top of the carb had a cap on it I removed the cap all was well...
I ask the owner did he get anything else with the carb he said YES it came with this hose, the hose went on the vent and then to the air filter housing... DUH!

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Joe.S.AK

10-19-2020 16:28:54




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 Re: Carburetor curiosity question. in reply to Btzj02, 10-17-2020 06:58:30  
Hence the incredible benefits of rebuild kits and winters in the shed.

Joe



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hunkydory

10-19-2020 15:57:32




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 Re: Carburetor curiosity question. in reply to Btzj02, 10-17-2020 06:58:30  
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Indeed. That is the crux of the issue: Those ordering the parts are more interested in their margin than the quality being provided to the consumer.
That said, the 8N Revivalists, as a reference to us, are notoriously thought of as "cheap". How high are we willing to go for a quality product?



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Joe.S.AK

10-18-2020 19:14:42




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 Re: Carburetor curiosity question. in reply to Btzj02, 10-17-2020 06:58:30  
Yes, W Edwards Deming changed the entire concept of Quality Control in post WWII Japan - and the Japanese manufacturers / retailers (Honda and many others) embraced the TQM (Total Quality Movement). The end result is the Japanese manufacturing quality image we recognize today.
So yes, the retailers' organizations do drive the level of quality (low or high) -- while the manufacturer has little to no say.

Pretty much "You Get What You Pay For."

Wanna fix the quality problem? Contact the vendors when quality is a problem and remind them that if you, and others, don't buy their 'stuff' then - well - I simply say "Good Luck in Finding Your Next Job."

Joe

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JMOR

10-18-2020 13:02:18




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 Re: Carburetor curiosity question. in reply to Btzj02, 10-17-2020 06:58:30  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeI lay the blame on Deming (Quality is free) who re-defined quality, in his book & lectures, as not goodness, long lasting, fine workmanship, etc., but rather "whatever meets the buyer's requirements". In the case of "quality junk", that would mean that it 'appears' good enough for the wholesaler to sell! So sad! :cry:



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DoubleO7

10-18-2020 12:50:14




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 Re: Carburetor curiosity question. in reply to Btzj02, 10-17-2020 06:58:30  
Blaming "cheena made" for poor quality and poor fit is misdirected.

The real blame is those that are selling the product and not demanding better quality and better fitment of the made in "cheena" stuff they are pedaling.

China can and does make quality stuff IF the buyer (importer) is willing to pay the price to do so.



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8NChris

10-18-2020 08:44:56




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 Re: Carburetor curiosity question. in reply to Btzj02, 10-17-2020 06:58:30  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeThat is a pretty negative outlook. It holds some water but it does not count for all reproductions. I trust most folks will do there own research and not be gullible one way or another. I don't have much experience with the antique tractors but quality parts is another thing. Daytona Carbs makes there own gaskets, jets and many other carb parts. Granted you or I neither one are looking over there shoulder to see where their parts are made. Like many here who have been responsible for customers lives, I don't recommend just anyone.

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Chilidawg

10-18-2020 07:59:29




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 Re: Carburetor curiosity question. in reply to Btzj02, 10-17-2020 06:58:30  
Question for you, Tim. Is it still possible to get good quality rebuild kits for Marvel-Schebler carbs? No problem with mine yet, but in the future it may need a rebuild.

I've successfully rebuilt a number of Rochesters back in the day so my only concern would be good quality parts,



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Btzj02

10-18-2020 07:02:55




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 Re: Carburetor curiosity question. in reply to Btzj02, 10-17-2020 06:58:30  
LOL. Good analogy. I have a rebuilt carb. Wouldn't use anything but! I was just curious!
This winter i plan on doing a valve job on the old 8N. It isn't "broke", i enjoy the experience! Rest assured i will evaluate the valve train before i decide on the scope! I surely would not try a valve job on my MF tractor but working on the 8N is like being in highschool shop class again and besides, it gives my wife another reason to ask, " what do you do all day in the pole barn"!

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Tim PloughNman Daley

10-18-2020 05:55:01




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 Re: Carburetor curiosity question. in reply to Btzj02, 10-17-2020 06:58:30  
In the world of experienced Ford folks, we have found since most Ford components were designed to be rebuilt over and over, the carb being a biggie, why would you want to buy a cheap Cheena-made clone? The Marvel-Schebler carb is a very good, well-built unit. The Zenith is also. Most "new" or "modern" as you say units sold today are made in Cheena, cloned from clones, and they have NO Quality Control there. Some poor 9 year old kid assembles them for 30 cents a day for 14 hours a day, and you can bet they don't have a clue how to set float and mix screws. Forget trying to re-invent the wheel and spend your time and money on more important things ---- my opinion, your mileage may vary.


Tim Daley(MI)

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JMOR

10-17-2020 19:06:39




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 Re: Carburetor curiosity question. in reply to Btzj02, 10-17-2020 06:58:30  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see\ Oh, yeah, many, many people go around deliberately breaking their equipment so they can fix it......kinda like the fireman arsonist who set fires so he could be called to go fight them, except he wasn't setting his own property on fire.



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Btzj02

10-17-2020 18:55:48




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 Re: Carburetor curiosity question. in reply to Btzj02, 10-17-2020 06:58:30  
You guys make me laugh everytime you say the above. I suspect there are quite a few weekend warriors out there that enjoy working on the 8N due to its simplicity and the fact that if you really break it it is not a big loss. Besides the most valuable way to actually learn something is to break it and then do what it takes to fix it. I have seen guys on this forum recommend installing a turbo on the N. There has got to be someone that jury rigged a different carburetor just to prove it can be done!

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8NChris

10-17-2020 18:54:48




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 Re: Carburetor curiosity question. in reply to Btzj02, 10-17-2020 06:58:30  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeDaytona Carbs has reproduced a few carbs and changed a few things learned over the past 70 years. I've used Daytona for several years. The parts I bought fit like they should. No complaints.

Here is there redesigned replacement for the Zenith carburetor. I have no experience with this carburetor, maybe someone else has.

https://daytonaparts.com/m/replacement_carburetor_zenith.html

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JMOR

10-17-2020 07:04:19




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Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seenot me!



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Little Ed

10-17-2020 18:13:26




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 Re: Carburetor curiosity question. in reply to JMOR, 10-17-2020 07:04:19  
If it ain't broke, keep fixing it till it is!!



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