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Ultradog MN
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Yeahbut...
Will the expertise, helpfulness and
camaraderie there be as good as this
board?
I'm a habitue of several tractor forums
and can tell you that Yesterdays Tractors
is the best tractor forum on the entire
internet.
Will the expertise, helpfulness and
camaraderie there be as good as this
board?
I'm a habitue of several tractor forums
and can tell you that Yesterdays Tractors
is the best tractor forum on the entire
internet.
TheOldHokie
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This photo was uploaded from my phone.
All I did was hit "QUOTE" to reply to your message, then the "Choose files" button at the bottom of the page. Then I selected the file i wanted to upload from the list my phone presented, and i hit UPLOAD. The filecwas uploaded and a link to it was automatically placed in the message box.
Then I completed my message by typing in this text being careful to start it just ahead of the link that was created by the upload and hit SUBMIT. That's pretty darn easy.
TOH
TheOldHokie
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First of all that is not me - I m much more handsome. That is my friend Ronnie driving a Jacobsen G10 turf tractor. It is roughly a 1958 model and powered by a Ford 192 CID tractor engine. I took picture on 8/6/2020 as he was mowing rough on the golf course in preparation for our big August junior golf tournament. The tractor and gang mowers were purchased new when the golf course first opened and the old thing is still earning its keep. I didnt realize the hood was missing until I posted the picture. The engine tossed the timing chain and knocked a big hole in the timing cover several years ago. They fixed the engine and gave it a new paint job before putting it back to work. Do a Google search for "Jacobsen G10" and you will find some really pretty ones.
TOH
Tim PloughNman Daley RIP
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You don't need to be an I&T Expert to understand how posting pictures works. Pictures take up a lot of bandwidth and these sites simply do't have enough to maintain all the data plus pictures so they require a 3rd Party Hosting Site like Photobucket or IMGUR to store you photos and the you can copy the URL link to post in your message. PB use to be the go-to site but have now demanded a fee to be a member. If you don't pay their fee, your old photos will show up with a watermark bar across the picture -see below. Sites like IMGUR offer a free account and many use it. You need to sign up in order to post pictures to your account and from there can copy the URL link to that specific photo and only then will you be able to included a photo in your message. It has nothing to do with YT or any other site.
Tim Daley(MI)
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Ultradog MN
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Actually,
This site does host photos.
They have for 15 years or more. They used to be tiny, worthless little things but about 4 or 5 years ago they dramatically upsized them.
Do a right click on the photo below and then click view image. Then look at the URL in the address bar. It will show who's hosting it. They rename them to just a number.
This site does host photos.
They have for 15 years or more. They used to be tiny, worthless little things but about 4 or 5 years ago they dramatically upsized them.
Do a right click on the photo below and then click view image. Then look at the URL in the address bar. It will show who's hosting it. They rename them to just a number.
TheOldHokie
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Posting images on YT does not require a 3rd party hosting site. You can upload your images to the free photo gallery YT provides and link from there. They are providing free storage and bandwidth as a service to their members.
You will find the image upload button at the bottom of the posting page in both Modern and Classic view. [b:664c99b734]Using that upload option will automatically add the image link(s) to the body of your reply.[/b:664c99b734] No copy and paste needed. In modern view the link will will be BBCODE, in Classic view it will be HTML. All that is required of the user is they be computer literate enough to avoid munging the image links when they type in their message.
TOH
DoubleO7
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You do not have to use any site to host your photos.
Not Photobucket
Not IMGUR
Not YT
Not any website.
You can upload from your computer, tablet, phone, etc. Directly into the message you want to post it into.
I do not want any third party website "hosting" any pictures where they can hold them hostage unless you pay a fee.
Or the website goes under.
Or the website gets hacked.
And I do not want to log in to another website just to get a picture file every time.
Not Photobucket
Not IMGUR
Not YT
Not any website.
You can upload from your computer, tablet, phone, etc. Directly into the message you want to post it into.
I do not want any third party website "hosting" any pictures where they can hold them hostage unless you pay a fee.
Or the website goes under.
Or the website gets hacked.
And I do not want to log in to another website just to get a picture file every time.
Personally, I don't know anyone that is stupid enough to have the only copies of their photos on some photo hosting site. I used to use Photobucket, then when they starting charging, I switched to Imgur. If Imgur starts trying to charge me, then I don't care since I have copies of all my photos. Anybody with any brains would do the same thing. My photos are still on Photobucket taking up their space but I don't care what they do with them since I have them backed up.
This thing with photos and showing them in a forum is not rocket science. As a back up, flash drives are cheap and don't use up space on your computer. You can back up your photos onto two flash drives if you are worrying about one going bad.
Anyone will tell you, the first rule of using a computer is backing everything up.
Ultradog MN
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He doesn't understand how it works.
His photos are on his computer - or
phone, tablet, whatever.
They are not on the internet - unless
he's running a server with a domain name
and gives everyone access to that server
which I seriously doubt he has.
So, like me and you and everyone else if
he wants to attatch a photo to a post he
needs to upload them to the internet
first. To a server sonewhere - like
photobucket or Imgur or YT. Then using
some method of hotlinking it attaches a
photo to his post.
You can hotlink photos from almost
anywhere - unless that domain denies
hotlinking - which many websites do.
The photo above has never been on my
computer. It is not on PB or Imgur or YT.
I hotlinked it to here from another site
using basic, basic - childs play level
html.
His photos are on his computer - or
phone, tablet, whatever.
They are not on the internet - unless
he's running a server with a domain name
and gives everyone access to that server
which I seriously doubt he has.
So, like me and you and everyone else if
he wants to attatch a photo to a post he
needs to upload them to the internet
first. To a server sonewhere - like
photobucket or Imgur or YT. Then using
some method of hotlinking it attaches a
photo to his post.
You can hotlink photos from almost
anywhere - unless that domain denies
hotlinking - which many websites do.
The photo above has never been on my
computer. It is not on PB or Imgur or YT.
I hotlinked it to here from another site
using basic, basic - childs play level
html.
DoubleO7
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I said you do not have a website HOST your photo files.
I meant as creating an account at a website such as mentioned, including at YT (gallery photo). As in an album with a bunch of your pictures in it at a HOST website.
Just upload them as needed into your post.
Yes when you do that here at YT, their server is then hosting them on their servers. But they do not go into a folder that you can retrieve at a later date again (not that I know of).
And yes I know enough to make backup files on memory sticks.
More than one as I have lost info when the stick bent when in the laptop and landed on the stick bending it. Know it is unreadable and gets hot. So know I save files to two different sticks.
Cd's and dvd's can also become unreadable just sitting in the case on the shelf.
I meant as creating an account at a website such as mentioned, including at YT (gallery photo). As in an album with a bunch of your pictures in it at a HOST website.
Just upload them as needed into your post.
Yes when you do that here at YT, their server is then hosting them on their servers. But they do not go into a folder that you can retrieve at a later date again (not that I know of).
And yes I know enough to make backup files on memory sticks.
More than one as I have lost info when the stick bent when in the laptop and landed on the stick bending it. Know it is unreadable and gets hot. So know I save files to two different sticks.
Cd's and dvd's can also become unreadable just sitting in the case on the shelf.
I made and sold gun grips for over ten years. I created my own website "CLCCustomgrips.com". I disabled the website due to health problems. It's just disabled to the public but it's still there. I have photos that I uploaded to that website that I still display in some forums. I just put in a link to my website and the picture and they display on any forum that I like.
As you said, your pictures must reside somewhere on the net with a valid URL ,uniform resource locator, in other words a web address. Any forum needs that web address to find the picture that it needs to display. This forum can not link directly to a picture on your computer.
TheOldHokie
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You are seriously confused about how the internet works. Please explain how image data is stored as part of that message.
Hint: I actually know the mechanism and details of how that is possible e.g :
<img data=[i:f4797b9681][b:f4797b9681]very long encoded data stream[/b:f4797b9681][/i:f4797b9681]>
I also know that is not what happens in practice. Whether you know it or not the image data you " paste" or upload "directly" into a message is actually uploaded and stored as an external data file (.jpg, .png, etc) on [b:f4797b9681]some[/b:f4797b9681] internet server some where that may or may not be the one saving the actual body of the message. The message body that is saved contains an HTML link to that (external) server and data - e.g :
<img src="http://serverdomainname:somefilepath.jpg">.
When rendering the HTML document a web browser uses a secondary TCP connection to download that data from the server named in the SRC attribute of the IMG tag and renders it in place of the image link. That has been the way it is done since 1991 when Tim Berners-Lee invented the world wide web, HTTP, HTML, the IMG tag, and web browsers.
Unless you are running your own server and hosting your images from it you are at the mercy of the servers and system managers managers being used. If they decide to delete, rename, or move your image file they will corrupt every post that has links to it. Its called a broken link and it is something that happens to more than just image data. If you don't believe me ask any 14 year old web developer.
TOH
DoubleO7
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Whatever you say OldHokie.
I still do not have to create an account with a third party website.
Ang then log in, upload photos into my account.
And then come here, post a message and go back to that third party website to get the picture I want to show up in a message here.
I have not found where on YT that you can create albums and then upload a group of photos for future use.
Is there such here?
I still do not have to create an account with a third party website.
Ang then log in, upload photos into my account.
And then come here, post a message and go back to that third party website to get the picture I want to show up in a message here.
I have not found where on YT that you can create albums and then upload a group of photos for future use.
Is there such here?
You still don't get it. You did not have to create an account on YT but you did have to register to get the use of their site. A copy of your photo is uploaded to YT's server so they can display your photo in your post.
No, YT is not an image hosting site like the others. You can not create an album for your photos on YT.
ho cares how you post photos. You do darn good tractor work. That thing looks brand new.(quoted from post at 11:20:02 08/10/20) He doesn't understand how it works.
His photos are on his computer - or
phone, tablet, whatever.
They are not on the internet - unless
he's running a server with a domain name
and gives everyone access to that server
which I seriously doubt he has.
So, like me and you and everyone else if
he wants to attatch a photo to a post he
needs to upload them to the internet
first. To a server sonewhere - like
photobucket or Imgur or YT. Then using
some method of hotlinking it attaches a
photo to his post.
You can hotlink photos from almost
anywhere - unless that domain denies
hotlinking - which many websites do.
The photo above has never been on my
computer. It is not on PB or Imgur or YT.
I hotlinked it to here from another site
using basic, basic - childs play level
html.
HarryVanderpool
Member
All bickering aside; THAT'S one fine looking 8N.
Great job!
Great job!
HarryVanderpool
Member
One little question:
So if I have a very large photo, what is the common or easy way to downsize it for posting directly on YT?
Thank you!
So if I have a very large photo, what is the common or easy way to downsize it for posting directly on YT?
Thank you!
Left Coast Geek
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for simple resize tasks, I often end up using Image Magick which is a command line program that does all sorts of image manipulation according to the exact commands and parameters you specify.
but most of the time, my pictures are stored on google photos and/or smugmug.... on smugmug, I can get any size I want...
and on up to original size, which is huge.
here's a typical mages URL, https://photos.smugmug.com/Misc/Tractor/i-tHSxQC9/1/80cbf666/XL/IMG_20200726_183958-XL.jpg
I change those 2 occurances of XL S,M,L,XL,X2,X3,X4...
Ultradog MN
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Chris,
You posted how to attach photos in modern
view but lest you forget, more than half
of the members here use Classic view
where it's a bit different but no harder.
I use Classic and don't think I have ever
uploaded a photo using Modern. Might have
to try it some time.
That pretty 8N is not mine. It's just a
photo I grabbed off another site and
linked to my post.
Just to be clear, I did not have to
download it to my phone from that site
then upload it here.
I simply hotlinked it.
Do a right click then view image and look
at the URL. You'll see it is not being
hosted here.
You posted how to attach photos in modern
view but lest you forget, more than half
of the members here use Classic view
where it's a bit different but no harder.
I use Classic and don't think I have ever
uploaded a photo using Modern. Might have
to try it some time.
That pretty 8N is not mine. It's just a
photo I grabbed off another site and
linked to my post.
Just to be clear, I did not have to
download it to my phone from that site
then upload it here.
I simply hotlinked it.
Do a right click then view image and look
at the URL. You'll see it is not being
hosted here.
Tim PloughNman Daley RIP
Well-known Member
Hey Dogman, that you 25 years ago??? yeah, just thought I'd make it easier for the guy. The old Tractor Photos use to be thumbnail size reductions. I haven't used them for years so good reminder.
Tim
Tim
TheOldHokie
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Here is the longggggggg answer to that question.
YT provides a free but rather "primitive" photo hosting service. They have several image gallerys organized by image content type. If you are a [u:33acd89ea0][b:33acd89ea0]registered user[/b:33acd89ea0][/u:33acd89ea0] on this site you can upload directly to those galleries by visiting the main gallery page - links to the gallerys are in the nav bar on the left side of the YT home page and included below:
Tractor Photos
Implement Photos
Vintage Photos
Help Identify
Parts and Pieces
As I said, this is a primitive service intended primarily as a user convenience for uploading photos in user posts and its where all of the images uploaded with user posts are stored. There is an Add Photo button at the top of the gallery pages which allows you to upload images directly. Since there is no message content being generated there is no automaticly generated and displayed URL for the photo so you have to be sophisticated enough to find and generate that yourself. In Chrome after the upload completes you would right click on the image and chose Copy Image Address in the dropdown menu. That will place a full absolute URL path for the image on the clipboard and you can use paste to copy that image into another text box/window.
This direct upload function does not provide any way to organize those photos into user albums or custom views. BUT once you upload an image YT will happily serve it up to any browser that asks for it. You can use the YT image link obtained as above to post the photo on another website using the standard image linking functionality provided by HTML and BBCODE. That may seem complicated to some but it is the way things work in general and understanding that basic process is a big plus if you are going to use the internet to share image content.
As with any hosting service YT could change its policy and delete or remove any or all of those images or start blocking links from external servers and your links will no longer work. If people start to abuse the service by using it as a general purpose image hosting service that is likely what would happen.
If you want to be free of that dependence all of the work of hosting images falls on you. You could do as I do and run your own server and website where you host your own images. That does not mean you have to have a data center with high speed internet service in your basement. Amazon Web Services will sell you a small virtual server of your choice (Windows, LINUX. Red Hat, Ubuntu, etc.) with 2 GB of automatically backed up disk space for about $3 per month. There are other cloud computing services that offer similar deals.
You will have to purchase a domain name to go with your virtual server (dirt cheap), install and manage the operating system, and install and maintain an HTTP server process but the content will be under your control and as long as you keep the data paths the same you can move your content to and from any other cloud service provider without breaking existing links that may be scattered all over the internet. This is how most well designed and maintained websites operate today - virtually in the cloud.
Operating in that fashion requires computer systems management skill. For most people it is not a realistic option but they want to share their thoughts and images on the internet so they put their data in other peoples control, pay a small fee for the convenience, and live with the risks and costs of that convenience.
Learning the basics of image linking and how whatever image hosting site you are using works does not require an immense amount of expertise and most people can get reasonably proficient quickly. Some, like my wife, are incapable/unwilling to do that and rely on others (me in this particular case) for help. No different than maintaining an automobile - some can and some can not. The ones that cannot pay to have it done for them.
There is no free lunch and the internet is no exception to that rule.
TOH
TheOldHokie
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In my previous post I said that photos uploaded with posts are stored in the Image Galleries which are hosted by YT. That is not correct. The image galleries are actually a third party image hosting service -photos.yesterdaystractors.com and the links simply take you there. Should have looked at the URLs rather than assuming.
Images uploaded with YT posts are actually stored in a different directory on the YT server:
https://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/photos/
You cannot directly access or browse that directory but you can copy and use the image URLs to link from an external site:
My Server Page Linked To YT Photos Directory
My apologies for the faulty information.
TOH
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