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steering box fill plug on a ford 8N

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ejensen

06-29-2020 12:27:46




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Where is the steering box fill plug located of a 1952 ford 8N? easy to see and use on my 1953 ford jubilee




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hunkydory

07-23-2020 15:46:29




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to ejensen, 06-29-2020 12:27:46  
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Thanks, again!



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Soaked

07-22-2020 17:17:55




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to ejensen, 06-29-2020 12:27:46  
Hi Alan, There is no drain hole to empty old oil. When the fill hole won't take any more oil, thats the correct level, and put the bolt back in. Remember that as oil goes in, air has to escape.
Happy to help, John



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hunkydory

07-22-2020 16:18:10




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to ejensen, 06-29-2020 12:27:46  
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Hi John,

Thank you for taking the time! I really appreciate your patience with a newbie. :)

Looking at that site I have the "'49-'52 8N steering box". I take it the procedure is to add fluid until it comes back out the entry hole? No way to drain it without removing the steering column?

Thanks again,

Alan



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hunkydory

07-20-2020 16:17:35




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to ejensen, 06-29-2020 12:27:46  
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John & ejensen,

Thank you for the visual explanations! I've found what you refer to as the oil inlet. It appears to be a mount point for the instrument panel support. I'll pull that bolt and feel around inside.

The oil exit John explained is baffling. I have an early 1950 8N with front mount distributor and my column does not seem to have that drain plug.

Have you any idea where it may be?

Many thanks!

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Soaked

07-20-2020 18:00:18




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to hunkydory, 07-20-2020 16:17:35  
Hi hunkydory, when trying to show the oil exit hole, I just unbolted the upper part, took the pic, and added the blue line. Here is the whole column. The exit hole is not visable when assembled, it's on the inside. I see on John Smiths oldford tractor web site, in 1949 the steering box was changed at serial number 216989. Do you have the newer one?

John

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Btzj02

07-03-2020 05:58:54




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to ejensen, 06-29-2020 12:27:46  
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Lots of bolts. I was referring to the green line bolt! Let us know if you are successful!

JB



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ejensen

07-03-2020 18:19:53




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to Btzj02, 07-03-2020 05:58:54  
JB,
Thanks again for the help. At present time the 8N is keeping a 2 acre field keeping the orchard grass cut. Will haul the 8N home in September.. At this time will check further into putting oil in the steering gearbox
Chris



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Btzj02

07-02-2020 20:06:27




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to ejensen, 06-29-2020 12:27:46  
[quote="CVPost-ejensen"](quoted from post at 14:23:24 07/02/20) Hi Tim,
Including a picture of the bolt I think you removed to add oil to the geacase on an 8N. Put the tiny end of my quart { outboard lower unit style for addinging to the gearcase on an ouatboard} 80 90 wt just runs out the hole. is this the correct place to add oil?

That is correct bolt hole. I think it is Bruce, 75 tips, that recommends using a wire to find the hole. It is a slow process. I found the tube allows air to escape unlike just sticking the lube oil bottle nipple into the hole. I think I added a pint before it started to overflow. Takes a little effort to hold tube and squeeze bottle at the same time!

JB

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ejensen

07-02-2020 23:41:24




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to Btzj02, 07-02-2020 20:06:27  
JB,

Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge with Me
Chris



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Soaked

07-02-2020 16:26:02




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to ejensen, 06-29-2020 12:27:46  
On later 8n right side behind the proofmeter.
The spare column is just sitting on the rear of the tractor for the pic. Oil flowes through the bolt hole following the blue line. It has to make a 90 deg bend into a smaller passage, before draining into the sump. I haven't tried filling recently, but would expect it to be a slow process.

John

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hunkydory

07-02-2020 16:08:36




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to ejensen, 06-29-2020 12:27:46  
Great topic!

I have two 8N "Operator's Manual"s. Both indicate some point on the right side of the battery box area (right when sitting in the seat), but are not specific about that point. The FO-4 manual is equally vague.

Can someone indicate exactly which bolt needs to be used? A picture would be awesome!

Thank you!



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ejensen

07-02-2020 17:26:50




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to hunkydory, 07-02-2020 16:08:36  
Hunkydory, I have looked at a lot of informationr= regarding putting oil in the steering gearbox on an 8N. At one time there was a removable screw on the steering column to add oil. Screw was below the steering wheel. 8N we have does not have the screw. Picture included seems to be the screw that is removed to add oil . saw one picture with a zerk fitting in the bolt. I would think using a grease gun would put a lot of pressure on seals in the steering gear. At present we are using our 8N with a bushhog to cut grass in a field. Will wait until we get the tractor home prior to taking things apart. Steering gear is working good on our 8N . I just wanted to check oil in the steering gear box

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Btzj02

07-02-2020 06:40:12




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to ejensen, 06-29-2020 12:27:46  
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At the lake and cannot take a picture of my 51. If you use a plastic tube to fill I found it helpful to cut off about quarter inch of the bottom half of the end of the tube. That way you can push the tube all the way in the hole untill it bottoms out and the oil can still come out the bottom cut into the fill hole.

JB



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ejensen

07-02-2020 14:14:22




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to Btzj02, 07-02-2020 06:40:12  
JB,

Sending a digital picture of bolt I think is removed to add gear oil to the steering box. Removed the rpm meter: Put end of my gear oil tube in the hole. Oil jusst runs out. Probably need to try what you said about using a plastic tube and cutting end off the tube. Is this the bolt you removed from your 8N to add oil to steering box?
Thanks Chris

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Btzj02

06-30-2020 19:26:58




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to ejensen, 06-29-2020 12:27:46  
In any event, the fill plug is a bolt attaching the battery box (IIRC) on the right side to the steering gear.

Dean[/quote]

FYI After removing the bolt you cannot tell that it is where you add oil. I used a plastic tube to stick in the threaded bolt hole and attached the tube to the lube oil bottle nipple. Keep filling till it over flows!

JB



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ejensen

06-30-2020 20:33:22




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to Btzj02, 06-30-2020 19:26:58  
JB, Sending You a picture of what bolt I think you told me about for adding oil to the gear box. Please let me know if my picture of the bolt to remove to add oil is correct.
Thanks, Chris



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Tim PloughNman Daley

07-02-2020 02:10:32




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to ejensen, 06-30-2020 20:33:22  
Did you see my post with pictures below??? You show the air cleaner mounting bolt -NOT the lube bolt.

TPD



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ejensen

07-02-2020 14:23:24




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to Tim PloughNman Daley, 07-02-2020 02:10:32  
Hi Tim,

Including a picture of the bolt I think you removed to add oil to the geacase on an 8N. Put the tiny end of my quart { outboard lower unit style for addinging to the gearcase on an ouatboard} 80 90 wt just runs out the hole. is this the correct place to add oil?

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ejensen

07-02-2020 06:16:39




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to Tim PloughNman Daley, 07-02-2020 02:10:32  
Tim,

Yes, I did see the picture You sent, thank you. Removed the proofmeter and removed the bolt that picture you sent has a zerk fitting in it. Put the pointed end of my 80-90 plastic container in the bolt hole and was unable to get oil through the bolt hole to the steering box. Will take a small wire from my shop and check to see if the bolt hole goes into the steering box



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ejensen

06-30-2020 19:40:31




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to Btzj02, 06-30-2020 19:26:58  
JB,

Thanks I will try it tomorrow.
Chris



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Dean

06-30-2020 16:45:12




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to ejensen, 06-29-2020 12:27:46  
As stated below by Deno, The 52 (only) 8N has a Fillister head screw in the front of the steering column above the dash where oil can be added to the steering gearbox.

No Fillister head screw? It's not a 52.

Dean



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ejensen

06-30-2020 18:43:08




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to Dean, 06-30-2020 16:45:12  
Dean, I have owned the tractor for 10 years. I am sure it is an 8N. Has the distributor on the side now in front. I thought it was a 52. Have looked throughly at sides of the gear box and have included pictures of the tractor, steering, and gear box. No screw above hood and below steering wheel.
Chris Looks like I wlll need to remove the dash and dash support. Certainly this was not the way Ford Motor Company originally designed the tractor to check the steering box and add oil. Very easy to locate the fill point on our 1953 ford jubilee. Any other ideas you have would be appreciated.
Chris

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Dean

06-30-2020 19:09:13




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to ejensen, 06-30-2020 18:43:08  
Yes, it's definitely an 8N but does not appear to be a 52. Either a 51 or, perhaps, late 50.

A photo showing the upper lift arms would be determinative.

In any event, the fill plug is a bolt attaching the battery box (IIRC) on the right side to the steering gear.

Dean



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ejensen

06-30-2020 20:00:29




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to Dean, 06-30-2020 19:09:13  
Dean,

Sending a picture of the right hand battery box attaching bolt. Is this the bolt for adding oil to the gear box?
Chris



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ejensen

06-30-2020 19:29:26




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to Dean, 06-30-2020 19:09:13  
Dean,

Thanks for taking the time to help me with our 8N ford. Have sent a picture with a red line. Will check where the battery box attaches to the steering box tomorrow. Had the bolt out but was unable to get 90 wt into the steering box
Thanks,
Chris

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Tim PloughNman Daley

06-30-2020 02:14:48




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to ejensen, 06-29-2020 12:27:46  
FORD 8N STEERING BOX LUBE PORTS:
- LATE STEERING BOX -

- 8N EARLY STEERING BOX -

TIM DALEY’S MODIFIED LUBE FITTINGS:

NOTE: Early Box uses ¼ NPT Pipe Plug; Late Box uses 7/16 hex bolt. Both I modified with a Zerk fitting to allow easier lube insertion. I use 00 Cornhead Grease


Tim Daley(MI)

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Shaun Wallace

06-29-2020 12:37:09




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to ejensen, 06-29-2020 12:27:46  
Its one of the rear battery box bolts. Rite hand I think.



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ejensen

06-30-2020 13:34:16




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to Shaun Wallace, 06-29-2020 12:37:09  
Hi Shaun, I have removed bolts from battery box and bolts on side of housing. Still unable to find the fill port. The tractor is 15 miles from our shop. using it with a bushhog to keep a field cut. Will wait until we bring the tractor home and start removing things to find the fill port.

Chris



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deanostoybox

06-30-2020 13:56:07




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to ejensen, 06-30-2020 13:34:16  
Late 52 has a large pan head screw on the front of the steering column above the hood and below the steering wheel. If yours has that screw that is where you put the oil.



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ejensen

06-30-2020 14:14:47




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to deanostoybox, 06-30-2020 13:56:07  
Deanostoybox,
Thank you, I’ll check
Chris



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deanostoybox

06-30-2020 16:20:56




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to ejensen, 06-30-2020 14:14:47  
One other possibility comes to mind. If you have an aftermarket steering gearbox (Sparex) the oil fill plug is hidden under the dash mounting "saddle" centered 1-13/16" above the lower dash mounting bolt on the left side. You need to make a hole there or remove the dash to access it.



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ejensen

06-30-2020 18:57:46




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to deanostoybox, 06-30-2020 16:20:56  
Deanostoybox,

I bought the tractor used some time ago. Do not know what the previous owner might have had done to the tractor. He is deceased now. I Think I will have to remove the dash to access the the oil port for the steering box
Chris

Thank you for the reply



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ejensen

06-30-2020 18:56:50




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Deanostoybox,

I bought the tractor used some time ago. Do not know what the previous owner might have had done to the tractor. He is deceased now. I Think I will have to remove the dash to access the the oil port for the steering box
Chris



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ejensen

06-29-2020 14:09:32




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 Re: steering box fill plug on a ford 8N in reply to Shaun Wallace, 06-29-2020 12:37:09  
tShaun,

Thank you,
chris



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