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Ford 8n with forge blower

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Dtreadinger89

06-23-2020 06:26:53




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Has anyone ever tried to put a hand crank forge blower on a for n series? Run it off the belt or crank and Pipe it Into the updraft carb to give the engine boost like a supercharger? I understand the stock flatheads could handle around 6-7 psi, but the rpms might be a bit much for the blower to handle maybe underdrive it to 25% or so with pullies. Would the updraft carb still work with air being forced through it, just a thought to pass around.....

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Caryc

06-25-2020 06:28:59




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 Re: Ford 8n with forge blower in reply to Dtreadinger89, 06-23-2020 06:26:53  
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That's right, After people do all this crazy crap in order to get more power, that tractor still has the same transmission, brakes and rear end.
Just imagine Tim Taylor jumping on that tractor and doing one of his usual stunts.



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HarryVanderpool

06-24-2020 20:47:44




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 Re: Ford 8n with forge blower in reply to Dtreadinger89, 06-23-2020 06:26:53  
All of a sudden, after reading all of this....

...I think my N has plenty of power just as it is.

Back to hoeing the garden.



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Indiana Ken

06-24-2020 18:01:31




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 Re: Ford 8n with forge blower in reply to Dtreadinger89, 06-23-2020 06:26:53  
You cannot not simply blow into a carburator. The easiest and (perhaps best) way would be to install the entire carburator inside a "box"....as has been posted. The blower can then blow into (pressurize) the box and the carburator operates as before, with one exception. The carburator does not compensate for the increased density of the air. You will need to adjust the mixture richer to accomodate the density increase. The throttle linkage and choke control will need to pass through the box. Sealing completely is not critical since the leakage will be air rather than an air fuel mix.

Note, you will have to increase the fuel pressure above that available with the current gravity flow system. The easy way is to install an electric fuel pump to increase the fuel feed pressure as your boost pressure increases. I suppose you could seal the tank vent and run some tubing from the pressure box to the fuel tank. In this case the gravity system should still work. I do not know how well the fuel tank will like the pressure!

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Dtreadinger89

06-24-2020 18:23:14




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 Re: Ford 8n with forge blower in reply to Indiana Ken, 06-24-2020 18:01:31  
Thatís what Iím talking about! Thanks



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DoubleO7

06-24-2020 16:10:51




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 Re: Ford 8n with forge blower in reply to Dtreadinger89, 06-23-2020 06:26:53  
I can not imagine a hand crank forge blower run at engine speed or any speed could produce enough air to over supply the amount of air the engine sucks in on a regular basis.

If you blocked of the forge blower outlet, I bet you could not get 5 psi on a pressure gauge.

The rest would just spill out of the blower inlet.

The tolerances are just too loose.



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Dtreadinger89

06-24-2020 17:50:20




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 Re: Ford 8n with forge blower in reply to DoubleO7, 06-24-2020 16:10:51  
Very true itís not a tight fit and heat might be an issue, the carb does have fuel mixers screws, probably need to richer it up a bit, but check out some videos on YouTube some kids put leaf blowers on a truck and it works and puts out power, the main downfall to any flathead is not being able to breath probably, a few pounds is all it really needs. Not saying Iím doing this Iím just asking would it be possible with the stock set up, or maybe a 8nan would be a better fit lol. But imagine yourself in the 20-50s trying to come up with a way to push power out of a flathead i4, canít really stroke, port or bore them too much but you have heard of forced induction, what would you come up with from that time period to do so? A forge blower from your shop maybe?

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JMOR

06-24-2020 14:17:29




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 Re: Ford 8n with forge blower in reply to Dtreadinger89, 06-23-2020 06:26:53  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeNot to worry, it is all just talk and is never going to happen. Blowing thru a carb & achieving all the necessary correct fuel mixture is very much more difficult than a procharger on a computer controlled/feedback fuel injection system.



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HarryVanderpool

06-24-2020 13:31:02




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 Re: Ford 8n with forge blower in reply to Dtreadinger89, 06-23-2020 06:26:53  
With my 2N & 8N I have always felt that the cooling system just barely keeps up in hot weather as it is.

More power usually means more heat as well.

How are we going to deal with that?



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Caryc

06-24-2020 06:44:00




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 Re: Ford 8n with forge blower in reply to Dtreadinger89, 06-23-2020 06:26:53  
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I have a hunch you are not related to Tim Taylor. :wink:



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Dtreadinger89

06-24-2020 07:40:13




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 Re: Ford 8n with forge blower in reply to Caryc, 06-24-2020 06:44:00  
Exactly more power ugh ugh ugh!



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Dtreadinger89

06-24-2020 07:44:15




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 Re: Ford 8n with forge blower in reply to Dtreadinger89, 06-24-2020 07:40:13  
Whoís also to say you couldnít put a forge blower on a flathead v8 either? Imagine the possibilities. Forge blowers are fraction the price just have to figure out mounting and compression, could slap an air filter on the inlet hole and pipe it into the carb kinda like a procharger



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JMOR

06-23-2020 21:36:12




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 Re: Ford 8n with forge blower in reply to Dtreadinger89, 06-23-2020 06:26:53  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeSome things are simply something to flap gums about. Need more power, buy a more powerful tractor.



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Caryc

06-23-2020 10:28:43




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 Re: Ford 8n with forge blower in reply to Dtreadinger89, 06-23-2020 06:26:53  
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Yup! You never know though when some guy has an itch to try something, what he might come up with. What's that old saying about "Necessity being the mother of invention"?

I guess sometimes just "wondering if it would work" is enough to take the place of necessity.



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Elmo

06-23-2020 10:21:19




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 Re: Ford 8n with forge blower in reply to Dtreadinger89, 06-23-2020 06:26:53  
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My opinion is that it is an exercise in futility. I fully understand why you would might try it though!



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DMartin9N-2N

06-23-2020 08:37:52




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 Re: Ford 8n with forge blower in reply to Dtreadinger89, 06-23-2020 06:26:53  
Good morning: If you are just wanting to experiment, I will offer this: In 1954 The Kaiser auto was offered equipped with a McCullough supercharger from the factory. The supercharger was belt driven, and its' output (air) was ducted to a box that surrounded the carburetor. In that way, the carburetor did not have leakage problems, nor problems with float bowl system. It might be possible to supercharge the 8n, but more as a hobby, not a real payoff, in my humble opinion.

Dennis M. in W. Tenn.

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Gaspump

06-23-2020 19:11:10




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 Re: Ford 8n with forge blower in reply to DMartin9N-2N, 06-23-2020 08:37:52  
1957 T'bird also had a similar supercharger option.



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Dtreadinger89

06-23-2020 08:51:19




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 Re: Ford 8n with forge blower in reply to DMartin9N-2N, 06-23-2020 08:37:52  
I once saw a pickup truck at the rough and tumble tractor show In Lancaster pa that some farm kids hooked a forge blower to the intake on the passenger side Door post, not sure if it was a for but definitely in the the 20-30s, Kinda a rat rod but intriguing in design, the passenger kid cranked like hell on that blower, I guess it gave power to the motor or he wouldnít of been doing it, I just wanted to see if it was plausible. Would be pretty cool to see a champion blower sticking out the side pushin air into the old 8n.

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wore out

06-23-2020 08:36:44




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 Re: Ford 8n with forge blower in reply to Dtreadinger89, 06-23-2020 06:26:53  
Now deceased Forum denizen often suggested using a smog pump for a automotive V8 as a "blower" for an "N".

I don't recall anyone ever posting about trying one, though.



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wore out

06-23-2020 08:39:01




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 Re: Ford 8n with forge blower in reply to wore out, 06-23-2020 08:36:44  
Sorry, I left out the name, "Dell" was the smog pump advocate.



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Caryc

06-23-2020 06:48:36




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 Re: Ford 8n with forge blower in reply to Dtreadinger89, 06-23-2020 06:26:53  
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I understand it's just a thought, but what would be the point of doing all that to such an old tractor? Just put your money into a better tractor. Those kind of thoughts are for people with more money than brains. Understand I'm not talking about you since you stated it's just a thought.



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Ultradog MN

06-24-2020 10:36:44




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 Re: Ford 8n with forge blower in reply to Caryc, 06-23-2020 06:48:36  
"Just put your money into a better tractor."

This is the best piece of advice in this whole thread.



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