'42 front distributor problem/question

Lynn Patrick

Well-known Member
I am trying to time this distributor as described in the FO-4 (straight edge, 1/4", etc.) but cannot get it moved far enough. Is it advisable to file the slot longer, or is there something I'm missing?
Thanks!
 
(quoted from post at 18:30:50 10/08/19) I am trying to time this distributor as described in the FO-4 (straight edge, 1/4", etc.) but cannot get it moved far enough. Is it advisable to file the slot longer, or is there something I'm missing?
Thanks!

There is something you are missing.

TOH
 
Which brand of points did you use? There are but only a few good ones nowadays. Standard Ignition, p/n FD-6769-X; CNH p/n 87744524; and possibly the TISCO set. NAPA sells the STND IGN, and also sell the ECHLIN brand, p/n CS-35, which used to be the #1 reliable brand but have gone to the ChiCom outsourcing dogs recently. The TISCO uses the plastic rubbing block so you may get good life or you may not. My last set lasted me over 6 years and was only changed because it was time for a tuneup. TISCO includes a nifty little feeler gage marked at .015" for setting the point gap. The other two brands have the OEM-type phenolic rubbing block. Price for points are $16 and if they charge anymore they are ripping you off. All come with a tube of cam lube grease. You can sometimes use a point file to get the points set right but why aren't they good out of the box? TOH makes a front mount timing jig that makes the job fast and easy -ask him.

Tim *PloughNman* Daley(MI)
 
I cannot turn the plate far enough for the timing to be right. Where the measure should be 1/4" (hole edge to straight edge) I have 3/8" with the adjustment at the end of the slot.
 
Lynn Patrick,Check the mechanical advance weights and springs under the point mounting plate.Check for worn groves,missing or broken springs and hanging up.It must move smoothly through out its travel.
 
I think you're doing it wrong.

Get a meter or test light, a 21/64? drill bit & a metal straight edge. Put the distributor face down w/ the condenser on the left & the timing plate lock screw on the bottom. Look at the end of the shaft: it has a narrow side & a wide side. Make sure you can tell the difference. Now, place the drill bit in the bottom mounting hole (this will be your reference point for measuring). Next, place a straight edge on the wide side of the tang on the shaft as shown in fig. FO83 in the picture. Rotate the shaft CCW (as viewed from rotor side OR CW as viewed from back/tang side) until the straight edge is ?" beyond the outside edge of the drill bit you stuck in the distributor mounting hole. At this distance, the distributor points should start to open (get your meter/light out now & check). If not, loosen the timing plate lock screw and turn to advance or retard the timing (move the plate down to advance timing, up to retard). Remember, each one of those little hash marks represents about 4? of timing. Keep adjusting until you get the proper ?" setting. (if the plate won?t move, you might need to remove the big C clip to loosen it a bit) As you?re adjusting, eliminate backlash by turning the shaft backwards (CW as viewed from the front) and bring the shaft forward (CCW as viewed from the front) to measure your setting. This ?" setting will get you static timing at top dead center.
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Lynn-
If you want, I suggest to contact Farmer Dan ([email protected]) as he rebuilds these front mounts in his sleep, OEM CORRECTLY and FULLY TESTED, with NEW parts. He offers rebuilt OEM distributors in exchange for your bad one and for a very good price. He has a half done on his shelf now all set to ship.


TPD
 
(quoted from post at 15:30:50 10/08/19) I am trying to time this distributor as described in the FO-4 (straight edge, 1/4", etc.) but cannot get it moved far enough. Is it advisable to file the slot longer, or is there something I'm missing?
Thanks!

Sounds almost like your measuring the 1/4" from the wrong side of the bolt hole. I wrote an article for the N News letter explaining how to rebuild and time one of these. Shot me an email and I'll send you a copy. [email protected]
 
OK, this is where I am now. I reset the point gap to .015. I have cleaned & made sure the timing advance weights are working freely as Den suggested. There is no noticeable wear/movement in the shaft/bushings. I have timed it several times by Bruce's advice and each time this is what I find:

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The hole for the timing plate lock screw is almost half hidden off the end of the slot! This is why I asked about filing the slot longer???
 
(quoted from post at 12:07:01 10/09/19) OK, this is where I am now. I reset the point gap to .015. I have cleaned & made sure the timing advance weights are working freely as Den suggested. There is no noticeable wear/movement in the shaft/bushings. I have timed it several times by Bruce's advice and each time this is what I find:

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The hole for the timing plate lock screw is almost half hidden off the end of the slot! This is why I asked about filing the slot longer???

I am going to guess that the distributor is not assembled properly and/or something is damaged. Can you move the plate to center the hole? Does the tractor run with that distributor on it?

TOH
 
I can move the plate & have many times to remove it & check everything. The tractor will not fire at all. I can see nothing damaged or shorting out or assembled wrong.
This is a tractor I bought not running so know no history on any of it. It appears to be an original 2N distributor.
 
" The tractor will not fire at all. "

The first thing you need to check is for battery voltage at the coil. Yes, you need a meter for that, not a light. With the key on, you should see battery voltage battery with the points open and about half that with the points closed. If you do not see either, the problem is between the battery and the coil, e.g., the resistor, ignition switch or a bad connection.

Assuming that the bushings & advance weights are ok (*see below), & that you have correct voltage to the coil , the most common reasons for no spark or a weak spark on the front distributor are below. Check each one carefully. Even if you find a problem, check all 10:

1. The insulator under the brass concave head screw & where the copper strip attaches. (it's fiber & will wear out; poke & prod w/ your meter leads to make sure it still works) If you need to replace the insulator, use a .250 x 3/8 nylon square nylon anchor nut available at most big box home stores.

2. The pigtail at the bottom of the coil not making contact w/ the concave head brass screw inside the distributor. (With the coil on, the pigtail must firmly contact the brass screw. No contact = no spark) Check for continuity between the top of the coil and the pig tail; a 6 volt coil will be around 1 ohm & a 12 volt coil should be 2 to 3 ohms.

3. The copper strip is broken or grounded to the plate. (look very carefully for cracks & breaks) .

4. The distributor is not grounded to the block because of paint or grease acting as an insulator. Or the points plate is covered in oil.

5. The tab on the bottom of the coil not making contact w/ the brass button on the cap. (With the cap on, the tab must firmly contact the brass button. No contact = no spark.) Check for continuity between the top of the coil and the tab; you should see about 6k ohms.

6. A grounding issue inside the distributor: Incorrect positioning of the spring clip on the plate causing the pigtail to ground. (the open part of the clip goes between 7 & 9 o'clock on the plate. That puts the straight part of the clip opposite of the timing screw at 3 o'clock) or the condenser wire is grounding to the plate or side of the distributor.

7. Incorrect seating of the coil on the distributor due to a loose bail or no gasket.(the coil must not move at all; if it does, replace the gasket or bail. Or stick some cardboard under the bail).

8. Water/moisture inside the cap due to gasket failure or the absence of a gasket. (the cap AND coil have gaskets)

9. Dirty/corroded/burned/incorrectly gapped or misaligned points. I use only Wells, Blue Streak or Echlin brand points (* *see below). If you are using quality points and cannot get the gap to open to .015, chances are you need to replace the bushings. If the shaft has any sideways movement AT ALL, the bushings must be replaced. (*** see below) If the tractor has been sitting unused for a few months, it?s highly likely that the points are glazed. Dress them with brown paper or card stock. Do NOT use a file or sandpaper. That removes the thin metallic coating on the surface and reduces point life considerably. With the points closed, you should have continuity between them; high resistance means they are glazed.

10. Burned rotor, cracked/carbon tracked cap. Brass ?dust? in the cap is a sure sign of bushing wear.

After find the problem & re-check the point gap, do a continuity check before you put the distributor back on the tractor. Before you start, make sure your meter/light works.

With the distributor still off the tractor, follow these steps:

1. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other on both sides of the open points. On the side closest to the cam, you should have continuity. Not on the other side! If you do, you will also have continuity everywhere because the points are grounded.

2. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity! Now, rotate the tang on the distributor....as the points open & close, you have continuity (closed) and lose it when they open.

3. Put the coil on the distributor, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other on the cam side of the open points. You should have continuity!

4. Coil on, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity!

At this point, I just put the distributor, coil & cap all back on the tractor as a unit. The reason I do this is because it is real easy to get the cap or coil misaligned trying to put it back together, one piece at a time. The result is something gets broken or you get a 'no spark' problem.
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Thanks again Bruce. I really appreciate your advice! The battery is brand new 12 volt fresh off my charger. I have good spark checked w/a spark tester at 1/4". Both wire loom & plug wires are new, plugs new NGKs, engine has just been gone through w/new rings, etc.
Everything checks out for me is why I am trying to get it timed.
 
I may be grasping at straws here, but I see a screw in the tang end of the shaft. Does this hold anything that may be assembled wrong?
 
(quoted from post at 13:09:07 10/09/19) I may be grasping at straws here, but I see a screw in the tang end of the shaft. Does this hold anything that may be assembled wrong?
ope! Just plugs the hole that manufacturer used to insert an oiled felt wick, used to lube top bushing via a side hole in shaft under top bushing.
 
(quoted from post at 15:30:50 10/08/19) I am trying to time this distributor as described in the FO-4 (straight edge, 1/4", etc.) but cannot get it moved far enough. Is it advisable to file the slot longer, or is there something I'm missing?
Thanks!
Did you ever discover the problem.
 
Was the base plate replaced with aftermarket?
There were some aftermarket plates produced with the alignment out of whack.
The closest you could get to perfect timing was indeed at the fully advanced setting.
So if you're following the static set-up for gap and timing and it comes in (close, anyway) at full advance, it is probably an aftermarket plate from the faulty batch.
I've been down that road as well....
 

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