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B.G. 3000....playin' in the snow.....AGAIN!!!

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GB in MT.

02-13-2020 18:15:47




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Didn't know what I was missing, until I bit the bullet and bought this Ford 3000.

This sucker can push some snow, in short order!!! (Diesel Power!!)
Only a couple of things left to fix......then, unless I break sompin' fixen' it....he is 'GOOD TO GO'!!!!

New dash cluster on it's way here......then install the new Halogen Lights, that ROYSE gave me. (already fixed all the other things that I wanted to get done)

Like I tol' you guys before........"Not cheap, but......worth every penny!!!







Gary

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TheOldHokie

02-14-2020 16:02:19




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 Re: B.G. 3000....playin' in the snow.....AGAIN!!! in reply to GB in MT., 02-13-2020 18:15:47  
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Whoops - did that ratio upside down.

Gas = .464 HP/CID

Diesel = .442 HP/CID

TOH



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Colin King

02-14-2020 15:43:39




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 Re: B.G. 3000....playin' in the snow.....AGAIN!!! in reply to GB in MT., 02-13-2020 18:15:47  
Almost no precipitation here for a month now. Glad to see you are getting a good use from the 3000!

Stay warm and cozy!

Colin



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TheOldHokie

02-14-2020 15:17:39




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 Re: B.G. 3000....playin' in the snow.....AGAIN!!! in reply to GB in MT., 02-13-2020 18:15:47  
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Well in the case of my two 3 cylinder Kubota lawn tractors it is pretty darn close. One is a diesel, one is gasoline, and they are built around the same engine block. Both are normally aspirated, produce 21HP @ 3000 RPM, and spec out like this:

G2460 gas: bore and stroke 68mm x 68mm = 45.2 CID = 2.152 HP/cubic inch

G2160 diesel : bore and stroke 67mm x 73.6mm = 47.48 CID = 2.261 HP/ cubic inch

TOH

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GB in MT.

02-14-2020 10:10:19




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 Re: B.G. 3000....playin' in the snow.....AGAIN!!! in reply to GB in MT., 02-13-2020 18:15:47  
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PatrickB;

I like plowing snow with B.G.!!!! AND, YEP....It is a LOT quicker than 'Hermie the 2N was.

As for the neighbors......As they saw what I could do with B.G.,....they started asking me to do the same on their driveways, and they chip in with a few $$$'s to pay for the Fuel and time.

Off-road Diesel, is about $2.00 per gal.,...and gas here in town, is $2.46 per gal.!!
(PLUS....all the fun I'm havin' !!!!!!!!!!) :lol:
Gary :D

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PatrickB

02-14-2020 09:41:47




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 Re: B.G. 3000....playin' in the snow.....AGAIN!!! in reply to GB in MT., 02-13-2020 18:15:47  
Sounds like your having waaay more fun on that machine than your lettin on Gary... Bet your neighbors are jealous too...



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Gantt

02-14-2020 09:14:58




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 Re: B.G. 3000....playin' in the snow.....AGAIN!!! in reply to GB in MT., 02-13-2020 18:15:47  
we also might consider a gas engine could be working harder, or at higher load/rpm to do the same job a diesel can do. mush like a small block v8 vs a big block. they both can do the same work, but the big block is barely breaking a sweat while the small block is screaming at full load.

just a theory, i have no facts to support my idea



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TheOldHokie

02-14-2020 06:39:45




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While you are at it look up the mean time to engine overhaul
TOH



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TheOldHokie

02-14-2020 06:34:54




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 Re: B.G. 3000....playin' in the snow.....AGAIN!!! in reply to GB in MT., 02-13-2020 18:15:47  
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I know what I am not missing Gary - burning diesel plowing snow!!!

So far this year we have received just ONE snowfall that accumulated enough to even think about plowing and it was only an inch plus. A quick morning run down and back on the road with the bucket in float skimmed that and the asphalt was melted clean by noon. My 35 year old back blade is bent and twisted beyond use and I'm having a hard time justifying buying a replacement
Which do you prefer on your snow cake - syrup with nuts, whipped cream, or both
TOH

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GB in MT.

02-13-2020 20:00:17




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 Re: B.G. 3000....playin' in the snow.....AGAIN!!! in reply to GB in MT., 02-13-2020 18:15:47  
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Evening R.G.;

Funny you should mention that...about the fuel.

B.G.'s tank still has about a quarter of a tank in it since I first started plowing with it. The PO, put fuel in for me, the day before I bought it, and I have not had to fill the tank yet!!! I put about 3 gals in, and it still has fuel left from when the PO put his fuel in it.

Diesel gets GREAT mileage, for all that plowing!!

Gary :wink: [/b]

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Ultradog MN

02-14-2020 04:59:30




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 Re: B.G. 3000....playin' in the snow.....AGAIN!!! in reply to GB in MT., 02-13-2020 20:00:17  
The diesels do use some fuel Gary.

Here's some numbers from the Nebraska Tests.

8N - Max HP - 26.9
Fuel use @ max HP - 2.352 gph
HP Hrs/gal - 11.14

3000 Gas - Max HP - 37.84
Fuel use @ max HP - 3.257 gph
HP Hrs/gal - 11.62

3000 Diesel - Max HP 39.2
Fuel use @ Max HP - 2.421 gph
HP Hrs/gal - 16.19

But diesel fuel costs more than gas too.

Here's a little factoid I've always found interesting.
The 3000 gas engine is a 158 CI whereas the 3000 diesel engine is a 175 CI.

3000 G makes .240 hp/ci
3000 D makes .224 hp/ci
So much for the oft made comment that diesels make more HP than a gasser will. They don't, at least not on these Fords.
For comparison, an 8N makes about .215 hp/ci.
Not too bad considering they are most of 30 years older and a flattie to boot.

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JK-NY

02-14-2020 08:47:57




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 Re: B.G. 3000....playin' in the snow.....AGAIN!!! in reply to Ultradog MN, 02-14-2020 04:59:30  
Usually a gas engine will make more hp than a diesel of equal. Engine size(ci) with possibly exception of a turbocharged diesel.



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mhb@ufe

02-14-2020 05:49:36




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 Re: B.G. 3000....playin' in the snow.....AGAIN!!! in reply to Ultradog MN, 02-14-2020 04:59:30  
It would be interesting to see the difference in torque specs between the gas and diesel. I haven't found that spec yet but I will look some more.

Mark



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Ultradog MN

02-14-2020 11:31:13




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 Re: B.G. 3000....playin' in the snow.....AGAIN!!! in reply to mhb@ufe, 02-14-2020 05:49:36  
They have spec sheets over on NTC that shows torque for the 158G and 175D used in the 3000/3400.
Also one for the 192G 201D used in the early 4000/4400.
Thanks to Ed Gooding for the photos.




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mhb@ufe

02-15-2020 12:03:20




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 Re: B.G. 3000....playin' in the snow.....AGAIN!!! in reply to Ultradog MN, 02-14-2020 11:31:13  
I'm surprised, I expected to see higher torque from the diesel.

Mark



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R Geiger

02-13-2020 19:13:03




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 Re: B.G. 3000....playin' in the snow.....AGAIN!!! in reply to GB in MT., 02-13-2020 18:15:47  
another storm moving in over the weekend, make sure the fuel tank is full!!



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Royse

02-13-2020 19:11:55




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 Re: B.G. 3000....playin' in the snow.....AGAIN!!! in reply to GB in MT., 02-13-2020 18:15:47  
"Not to mention...NO Heart attack either!!!???"

Ed Zachary! ;)



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GB in MT.

02-13-2020 18:50:36




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 Re: B.G. 3000....playin' in the snow.....AGAIN!!! in reply to GB in MT., 02-13-2020 18:15:47  
" No climbing! "
Not to mention...NO Heart attack either!!!???

GB
:shock: :roll:



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Royse

02-13-2020 18:41:20




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 Re: B.G. 3000....playin' in the snow.....AGAIN!!! in reply to GB in MT., 02-13-2020 18:15:47  
Next "fix" - build a wing off the side of the bucket and you can

scrap the snow off the top of the motorhome! No climbing! :lol:



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