Accidentally took the starter apart.

Gantt · Jan 25, 2020

I removed the starter on my 2N, getting ready to repaint the engine area

When I took the two mount bolts out I did not pay attention and allowed the housing assembly to come apart. Now I am struggling to get the armature back into the brushes.
I saw a video of a fellow that says to move the springs to the side until you have it together, to keep tension off the brushes.
I ve tried for over an hour to get it right to no avail. I was fixing to put a hole in a wall with it so I gave up for today. I was thinking about just paying someone to reassemble it, but finding a shop that rebuilds starters is hard to find these days.

Any tips or suggestions??

Bob · Jan 25, 2020

(quoted from post at 12:37:33 01/25/20) I removed the starter on my 2N, getting ready to repaint the engine area

When I took the two mount bolts out I did not pay attention and allowed the housing assembly to come apart. Now I am struggling to get the armature back into the brushes.
I saw a video of a fellow that says to move the springs to the side until you have it together, to keep tension off the brushes.
I ve tried for over an hour to get it right to no avail. I was fixing to put a hole in a wall with it so I gave up for today. I was thinking about just paying someone to reassemble it, but finding a shop that rebuilds starters is hard to find these days.

Any tips or suggestions??

NOT a real big deal, once you've done a few you'll "get the hang of it".

Should be lots of threads here in the archives on the subject.

R Geiger · Jan 25, 2020

Pull the springs back and hook them on the brush housing, then after you get the armature back in you can release the springs. Been there done that. I should have taken a photo.

Ed S. · Jan 25, 2020

It's an 8N Right of Passage. We'll let you know the secret handshake as soon as you post a pic of it back together.

es

HFJ · Jan 25, 2020

(quoted from post at 15:46:35 01/25/20) It's an 8N Right of Passage. We'll let you know the secret handshake as soon as you post a pic of it back together.

es

:lol:

Bruce (VA) · Jan 25, 2020

There are plenty of ways to put the starter back together. Some folks use alligator clips, toothpicks or dental floss to hold the brushes back. Others remove the metal band and paper gasket, then put the starter back together. Pull the brushes up thru the holes that the band was covering. Use long nose pliers to pull the brush springs up. Move each one to the right and let them rest on the brush holder. Put each brush into the holder. Pull up each spring and place it on each brush. Put the gasket and metal band back on.
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Wyatt-The-Ih-Guy · Jan 27, 2020

I have done this to, it really sucks. When you
remove the starter you will notice that 1. It will come
apart, and 2. Before you put it back in you have to
depress the starter drive pinion, it can be stressful
to put back in. I took mine to a alternator shop to get
rebuilt but they will certainly put yours together. If
you are lucky the guy will throw it back together in
minutes and give it to you no to little charge, this
was my experience, it may not be yours. When
putting it it I suggest putting steal threaded rod into
the whole where the starter bolts would go, carefully
put the starter on when it?s inside Carefully remove
rod and put bolts it, and than you are done. It helps
to depress the pinion and saves lots of time there
are videos online on how to do this, Good luck

Gantt · Jan 28, 2020

i will give it another go one day, its not running right now anyway. i should have payed more attention when removing it, it being something new to me...

Trudy Fair · Feb 1, 2020

Very interesting reading. Who would expect it to self destruct when you take it off ? I would never have guessed had I not seen it in 75 tips. Usually you can take a starter off of something without it ruining your day - or life. I have one bad tooth on my flywheel on my 46 Farmall B and once in a great while it stops on that ONE spot - like a really inconvenient roulette wheel. When it does, I have to take the 4 bolts loose and back the starter out just enough to disengage it, then put the hand crank in it and turn the flywheel enough to advance it past that one spot then I can tighten the 4 bolts again. So glad the B doesn't have the self destruct model starter, but it is very reassuring to know there is: 1. Help 2. A support group and 3. A secret handshake. I liked your " about to put it through a wall " comment. Impressive. Those things are heavy !!!!

Gantt · Feb 1, 2020

Each time I am in the shop working on the tractor I look sideways at the dismantled starter and instantly set that thought aside and forget about it. I ll have to do it soon, the chassis is painted and rear wheels are almost done. It s almost time to run new wiring and fire the old gal up. I work on Mack trucks and they have wiring bundles behind the dash that are almost four inches in diameter. And they are all white wires with orange tracers. They print the circuit number on each wire in little hard to read letters!!
The wiring should be a much simpler job on the 2N.

HFJ · Feb 1, 2020

(quoted from post at 19:47:25 02/01/20)
I work on Mack trucks and they have wiring bundles behind the dash that are almost four inches in diameter. And they are all white wires with orange tracers. They print the circuit number on each wire in little hard to read letters!!
The wiring should be a much simpler job on the 2N.

it is. unless u count old-school tip and ring phone wiring, it really doesn't get much simpler than this.

Gantt · Feb 4, 2020

i brought the starter to work and promised a guy lunch for putting it back together. he said he enjoys this kind of thing. must be a weirdo or something.

JMOR · Feb 4, 2020

(quoted from post at 18:17:23 02/01/20) Very interesting reading. Who would expect it to self destruct when you take it off ? I would never have guessed had I not seen it in 75 tips. Usually you can take a starter off of something without it ruining your day - or life. I have one bad tooth on my flywheel on my 46 Farmall B and once in a great while it stops on that ONE spot - like a really inconvenient roulette wheel. When it does, I have to take the 4 bolts loose and back the starter out just enough to disengage it, then put the hand crank in it and turn the flywheel enough to advance it past that one spot then I can tighten the 4 bolts again. So glad the B doesn't have the self destruct model starter, but it is very reassuring to know there is: 1. Help 2. A support group and 3. A secret handshake. I liked your " about to put it through a wall " comment. Impressive. Those things are heavy !!!!

ip #36....& I venture to suggest that most could put the starter back together is less than the time to work a child's puzzle.

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