Parasitic drain

Off Tractor topic electrical questions...but would benefit us all for our tractors battery maintenance as well!
Guess I need help on this twofold query....what is the difference between trickle...float...and tender battery chargers..
I am suspecting they are not synonymous...and the application is I have parasitic drain going on in an 85 RV
...just want to keep the battery up until spring to troubleshoot and don't want to remove the battery...
What is the best for my application?...thanks in advance!!
 

i believe tender and float are synonymous, and tender is simply one brand name.

a trickle charger puts out a small but continuous current. folks say it can/will eventually boil the liquid out of the battery.

float chargers continually adjust their output based on battery charge state, and won't boil the liquid out as a result.
 
A trickle charger is a dumb charger that will put out 1 or 2 amps all the time and can boil a fully charged battery. A battery Tender is a brand name for a smart charger that will keep the battery at something like 13.2 volts, for a 12 volt, and will pulse the battery to keep the plates clean. I might get corrected here, but I think a float charger is about the same thing.
As for your R.V., just disconnect the batteries and put the smart charger on them.
 
I have a 6v battery tender on my 8N. I have used a battery tender on my motorcycles for the last 8 years. Never removed the battery, stored in garage over winter. In the old days I never got more then two years out of a motorcycle battery, even if removed and stored in basement. With tender my batteries have lasted 8 years and counting. If you have a parasitic drain on the battery I agree with disconnecting the battery. Feeding it with battery charger may create a bigger and more costly problem.
 
Get a battery quick disconnect like on site below:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?
_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313.TR8.TRC1.A0.H0.XBattery+Quick+disconnect.TRS0&_nkw=Battery+Quick+disco
nnect&_sacat=0

The $5 version for side connection or top connection is all you need. Also get a Deltran battery tender and
you'll be all set.
 
(quoted from post at 01:22:05 01/18/20) Off Tractor topic electrical questions...but would benefit us all for our tractors battery maintenance as well!
Guess I need help on this twofold query....what is the difference between trickle...float...and tender battery chargers..
I am suspecting they are not synonymous...and the application is I have parasitic drain going on in an 85 RV
...just want to keep the battery up until spring to troubleshoot and don't want to remove the battery...
What is the best for my application?...thanks in advance!!

The easy out is a disconnect I use ones I get from northern tool.

https://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/viewtopic.php?t=1267046&highlight=battery

I use these from northern tool but I don't have any major drains they are rated at 1 amp...

BatteryMINDer Plus Battery Charger/Trickle Charger/Desulfator 12 Volt, 1 Amp, Model# 12117TC

It would be nice to know what the drain amps are before you pick a maintainer... Checking the drain is EZ if you have a voltmeter with a amp setting... I would not go solar unless you are willing to spend big bucks...

The latest greatest test is to measure voltage drop across the fuses it works very well... If you can get a hold of a thermal image camera it will help BUT can lead you astray...

Key words to use if you want to google it..

using voltage drop to locate battery drains fast
 
If it were mine, I would remove the cable ends (great time to clean them)and put a 1-2 amp trickle charger on it until it is topped off. Battery voltage on a fully charged lead acid battery is 12.6 - 12.7. I purchased a solar charger because I have no electric power in my shed. It was pricey ($57.00) but I can tilt the glass to charge 6 volt or 12 volt batteries. Mine also came with a cigarette lighter/power outlet adaptor so I can charge with it locked inside the vehicle. My solar charger is not designed to charge a dead battery.
 
The worst thing that depletes a battery life is that constant discharging and recharging. Get a FLOAT charger, not a trickle or regular charger. 'Battery Tender' is a brand name, and is a very good float charger. The name gets tossed around incorrectly for any charger so don't get confused and misled. Simply attaching a battery charger means nothing if the cells are depleted and specific gravity isn't met. A starter shop or auto parts store can bench test it. They will test and take your old battery in for the lead/core charge too on a new unit. There is a ton of archived info on batteries here. Most of the cheap, bargain house brands are not worth the time or money as they have poor lifespans. 7 years is a good run for a 6V battery. Briefly in a nutshell, you want a GP-1 6V AG battery -no Deep Cycle or RV/Gold cart type. Use a GRP 25 or GRP 35 12V battery. I suggest you invest in one of the better brands. Those would be DEKA, INTERSTATE, EAST PENN/DURACELL, or EXIDE. I'm not sure who makes the NAPA one but I've heard good things about it. Get at least a 550 - 650 CCA with the average cost at about $125. The best thing you can do to prolong a battery is also invest in a float charger. The DELTRAN BATTERY TENDER JR. is the 6V unit and priced about $30. You also need good battery cables for each. A 6V battery needs thicker cables than the 12V battery. Keep a Float Charger (Battery Tender) for each of your vehicles connected whenever the vehicle is idle. I like the DELTRAN models because they have a built-in fuse and disconnect/automatic shutoff feature if connection is lost.


You need a strong battery to:
1. Spin the starter
2. Engage the Bendix
3. Provide voltage to the coil.

The following is courtesy of Bruce(VA), tips on battery care and performance:
As the battery gets weaker, the first thing to fail is your spark. The more current you use to spin the starter, the less you have for the ignition. If your starter pulls that battery down much below 5.2 volts (ref: 6-volt battery), the module in the EI will not fire. It doesn't really matter much if the battery is "fully charged" until you test it correctly. 4 Volts is an almost dead unit. Bench test under load and specific gravity must be tested. Your trusty local starter/alternator shop can bench test it on their special machine, usually at no charge ?no pun intended. No matter what else you do, the battery must be fully charged.

A float charger is helpful; NOT a trickle charger, but a float charger, like the DELTRAN Battery Tender Jr. ? ? . A battery charger, even a "trickle" charger, left unattended will eventually boil out a battery. Use a float charger for two reasons: battery longevity and a sure start. Battery sulfation occurs at a specific rate at "X" temperature. Over time, sulfation reduces battery performance and eventually its effects are irreversible. Sulfation of batteries starts when specific gravity falls below 1.225 or voltage measures less than 12.4 for a 12v battery, or 6.2 for a 6 volt battery. Sulfation hardens on the battery plates reducing and eventually destroying the ability of the battery to generate current. Using a float charger significantly reduces sulfation. Your battery loses 33 percent of its power when the temperature dips below freezing, and over 50 percent of its power when the temperature falls below zero. A fully charged battery will not freeze until -76?F; however, a fully discharged battery can start to freeze at 32?F. So??keep the battery fully charged! If you have a digital volt meter, 6.03 volts on a 6 volt battery and 12.06 volts on a 12 volt battery is only a 25% charge!

BATTERY TENDER JR (6V) BY DELTRAN:
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Tim Daley(MI)
 
If it's parked where you can access power I'd but the battery Tender that is pictured and connect it to the battery. I would also but a battery disconnect and leave the battery disconnected from the system with the Tender connected directly to the battery, be sure the battery is charged before all of this.
The battery disconnect will come in handy later when you troubleshoot your parasitic draw. You will use it as a bridge and hook your digital amp meter across it with it closed and then open the shutoff and watch the meter. The max recommended should be a 30ma draw anything more is too much especially on an older vehicle.
 
How is your RV setup? Multiple batteries? All draining?
Does it have disconnect switches built in?
If it does, and it still has a parasitic draw, disconnecting the batteries
and using a float charger/tender is probably the best way to go.

Mine has three batteries, a disconnect switch for the coach and
another for the chassis/starter. The batteries are installed in a
compartment under the coach. They stay fairly clean but I suppose
it could be possible for them to get enough moisture/dirt on them
to cause a drain between posts. In that case, disconnecting may
not be enough without cleaning and/or removal.

The only time I had trouble with mine was when one of the hold-
down bolts vibrated loose and fell out. That let the bracket move
over and touch a positive battery post which killed that battery
and the parallel battery permanently. I'm surprised it didn't do worse.
 

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