Good Disc?

I'm lightly looking for a "new" disc, would this disc do a good job? He's only asking $400 which is cheap around here. Or should I wait for a newer TSC special with the notched front blades...or an 8' wheel disc? I have a 4' IH disc and even with 300 lbs on it, it still doesn't do worth a hoot. It's too small anyway...fits inside my tire tracks, so looking to upgrade. Will be used behind my bigger tractor - 35 drawbar hp.

IMO, it's too big and heavy for your tractor. You'll be steering with your brakes all the time, and won't be able to pull it fast enough to get it work work at it's best.

I agree with MJ.

Too big for an 8N.

Dean

a Ferguson ABO-22. It is a bit of a load on a smaller tractor. I would be more interested in that super rare 9n in the background! There are a few hundred of the early aluminum-hooded 9Ns around, but nobody remembers the even rarer Rubbermaid-hooded models!

heres a video of that disc in action- notice the front wheel weights TRYING to help out...
TO 20 running a ABO disc

I have one of these, performance wise, it does make a very nice seed bed, that is a good price, if bearings are all good, pans are not wore out, gangs tight. Great design, levers easily change the angle of the gangs, but it believe parts for the bearings on these are not available but have heard there is a close equivalent from agrifab mine has one gang with these on it. You would likely need more tractor, it's just heavy enough. I think my 640 would handle it if I left the 1 arm loader on.

Decent used disc harrows are not so easy to find around here, that would sell quick if field ready. It has set a good while by the looks of it.

(quoted from post at 16:46:58 12/06/19) I agree with MJ.

Too big for an 8N.

Dean

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Did you read the post?
He said he was going to use behind a bigger tractor?

Still too big for a 35 hp tractor.

He didn't say he would pull it with an N.
If he was I would agree with the others who say it's too big for an N.
He said a 35 HP tractor.
I think it's still a bit much for a 35 HP tractor. But I would try it.
It has 7 pans per gang = ~9'.
I pull an 8' = 6 pans/gang with a 38 HP tractor. It is a pretty good match. My 8' is not a real heavy disc. Even so it made my front end pretty light in the front. I put a pair of front bumper weights on it which improved the match.
Mine was a 10' = 8 pans/gang when I bought it. It was too much disc. Both weightwise and HP wise. I cut it down - moved the bearings in and shortened the axles. That could be done with this disc too if it was too big.
That disc would be a good match for a 960 which has about 42 HP and a longer wheel base. If the disc is decent and price right I would use it as an excuse to buy a 960

35 DB hp, 43 PTO hp, ~50 Engine hp

What is the tractor?

What ever you buy, just be sure you are satisfied with the Boxings (or bearings)... Get something with some Life left in it..

When I responded below, I was thinking just that, glad you posted Jerry, the thing that stands out is missing out on what is considered to be one of the best mounted disc harrows ever made, based on thinking it may not work, when possibly, a bit more weight on the front would do it. That video looks as if he had some bumper weight besides the inner wheel weights, would likely be enough.

I actually have the 6 pan M-F model 25,without the scrapers. It is not a real heavy disc, but performs like one in moldboard plowed soil, and believe or not, I re-planted my lawn after using it to work up the existing sod, when it was moist and would cut well, made a very nice seed bed and did not turn up any rocks to speak of. If I had plowed it, would have made a lot of work for me with rocks.

Some photos of the work I did with it and my 850 Ford.

I hadn't considered modifying the disc if it was too heavy. It does look like a nice disc, I'd probably give it a shot for $400. At the very least you'd be able to get your money back out of it.

Case 1190. 3 cyl diesel, 12 fwd gears, rear wheel weights (don't know weight) and 200 lb front ballast

Seller says "7' three point disk. All disks roll free. Bearings seem ok. Some disks are fairly best up but they are all there and the thing works. $400."

I don't see any major nicks or damage to the blades in the pictures. Hard telling about the bearings without seeing it. It will probably only see about 4 hours of use per year anyway. I don't use the one I have much but it doesn't work very well and its too small, I just want to upgrade. I tried discing some corn stalks with it this fall and couldn't even tell where I had been. It did oookkk on bean stubble but still had to go over it twice. Just more frustration than its worth, looking for something better. Here is what I have currently and the result of 2 passes on bean stubble.

(quoted from post at 15:51:17 12/06/19) Case 1190. 3 cyl diesel, 12 fwd gears, rear wheel weights (don't know weight) and 200 lb front ballast

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That is a 43hp, 5000# plus tractor - big as/bigger then the Fords referenced here. I think you are good to go.

TOH

Billy,
That is a nice disc.
I don't know much about that model but I trust your judgement that they are good machines.
About the same size as my 201.
Ford called it a Flex O Hitch.
Carpetfarmer,
Duey makes a good point.
Check the bearings! Take about a 16 inch long block of wood with you - like a fire place log. And bring an 8' 2x6 or 4x4. Use them as a lever and fulcrum and lift the gang frame above each bearing. Watch as you bar it up and down for how much slop is in your bearings.
If more than 3/16"- 1/4" you might need new bearings which aren't that expensive but if you need all 8 of them it can add up and maybe you can negotiate the price down a bit.
Seller will know you're nobody's fool too.
If they are reasonably tight $400 is a good to very good price for it. Plus, you can sell your old disc to help offset the cost.
Here are a couple of before and after photos when I made mine narrower and one of the job it does.

It likely will pull it.
Looks like a good tractor too.
1190 on tractordata

Good information UD. Thank you.

I did go for the J series Flex-O-Hitch, I posted about on the Ford forum. It looks exactly like yours, though I wont need to narrow it. 555C backhoe is what I unloaded it with.

Awesome TLB! Great disc too.
Your 4610 going to pull that 10 footer?
I kinda, sorta, almost wish I hadn't cut mine or had just taken one pan per gang off.
My RC played with this 8 footer and will have front weights and a few more ponies under the hood come spring. Would easily pull another foot wider.

I think so, the 4630 should be a good match for it, it has 4 front weights on it, with the carrier which has to be close to what those 4 weigh. I look forward to planting this spring, I keep bees now and they do very well here, I'd like to plant the field adjacent to the hives with something beneficial for them, aside from plots for deer. My 101 2 bottom plow is rebuilt, a 3 bottom would be a good match, been keeping an eye out.

I think you are right, would have handled the full width, but assume that you could widen it back with new axles, and the parts from it. Then again, being narrow, closer to the rear tires is not a bad thing either. I will have to widen paths to a couple areas I plant. I caught a 6" oak once with a 6' wide Love Mfg. disc harrow I have, broke a pan and bent the axle. It must have shifted over. Bonus was I got 2 more Ford suitcase weights with the J series.

This 555C I am very thankful for, just in the yard alone it's been a blessing to have and use to get some real work done, further cleaning up the place. It has a thumb, makes handling logs nice, along with the nice set of 3 pt. forks I set up for the 4630. It had less than 800 hours when I got it, and I am skeptical of that, but it does add up, original tires, original seat not torn up, all pins are tight, starts easily and when cold, plug in for an hour it will fire up easily. I've run about every Mfr./ model of these there is of these as a full time operator for 5 years, ending up with a Ford and a dealer that sold them new and has people that can work on them is a plus. I had them go through it for me, complete fluid change and service, some hoses etc. Needs a few things but is handy as a shirt pocket, 24" of snow we just got was no work for it. Other brands would be just fine, cool I ended up with a ford. I work hard and am frugal a bit, decided it was needed and went for it. Strong hydraulics, loader will lift 3 ton, front axle is rated for 12,000 lbs if I recall.

It appears your 7? disc is a Ferguson Model A-022 and would pull an N-Series tractor. The Ferguson A/O Manual says the 7? and the 8? model will work. Is there an ID TAG on the LH upright strut? A 4? or 5? disc is pretty much for a garden and/or for land that is already worked up or sand. I advise using caution by adding extra ballast to your disc. I used cinder blocks wired to my Dearborn Lift Type E Disc for years and 3 years ago I was discing a field and noticed the furrows got bogged down and digging into one side. Upon inspection I found a broken bearing cap on that side. SEE pictures, left most rear gang. Since parts are NLA I had to improvise and adjust the rear gang up off the ground and then just use the front gang. It functions that way but slower and not as good of job as using both and requires more passes. I have a source in NY who casts old tractor parts, will make you whatever you want, have used him before with perfection, but it isn?t on my top priority list right now. Option #2 is to get another identical model to swap out or find someone parting one out. For an N-Series a 6? disc is perfect. You could try your 7? disc on your N, may have to experiment with the gangs but if it will lift it, it should be good to go. A 134 or 172 Hundred Series will pull it with ease, even an 8?.

DEARBORN DISC HARROW LIFT TYPE E SERIES:



Tim *PloughNman* Daley(MI)

That Ferguson disk is the best 3 point disk ever made. It is a finnishing disk and not a primary tillage disk tho. And it was built for the Ferguson T)-20 tractor that is the same size as the 8N Ford, both in power and weight and lifting capacity so no reason that 8N Ford would not handle it as well as your bigger tractor. And that frame is made the way they are so you do not try adding weight to them. And it was made before the greasless bearings so it would have white iron bearings and if kept greased they would never wear out and they are not supposed to be tight.

The Ferguson Disc was before the TE and TE 20 models. They were part of the Ford Ferguson-Sherman implements. Many discs, not all, including some later Dearborn ones had wood bearings. Impregnated hard maple rockwood type. I never heard of a finishing disc and a primary disc -explain where you read that.

Tim *PloughNman* Daley(MI)

Like you, no one used the terms "finishing" and cutting or plowing to describe discs in the era. Such terms derived much later.

FWIW: The pictured disc is much too large for any 8N but well within the capacity of the OPs Case.

I would want a well ballasted 8** or 9** to pull it though plowed ground.

Still, one could probably pull it across a hay field with an economy tractor if adjusted at minimal angle.

Dean

(quoted from post at 16:38:31 12/07/19) Like you, no one used the terms "finishing" and cutting or plowing to describe discs in the era. Such terms derived much later.

FWIW: The pictured disc is much too large for any 8N but well within the capacity of the OPs Case.

I would want a well ballasted 8** or 9** to pull it though plowed ground.

Still, one could probably pull it across a hay field with an economy tractor if adjusted at minimal angle.

Dean

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Seven foot A-BO-22 disk on a little Kubota B7800. Picture is from a 2013 post and owner was quite happy with it. Just food for thought.

TOH

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Well, new or old terminology I am looking for a primary tillage disc. Ideally an 8' wheel disc but those are proving few and far between...I can find 10' all day long (fully capable but not really looking to cut one down). Thats why I'm wondering if this will work very well or as I wondered if it was more of a secondary/finish disc. It looks awful light duty to work very well in unplowed soil with residue. Wondering if a 6' 3 pt with notched discs would work about the same or any better.

I pull an old Dearborn 7'double gang behind my te20.just like your plow?make sure its set up right for angle of contact with the ground.