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svrunyan4075

09-08-2019 11:22:39




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My bushhog got bogged down and stopped the tractor. It wasn't a sudden stop but slowed to a stop within a couple seconds. Afterward it wouldn't do anything when I turned the key. The solenoid wouldn't click and the starter wouldn't crank.

Battery is brand new and fully charged

Solenoid is brand new.. put it on this year

Starter is 1 year old (new not rebuilt)

I've used the tractor many times this year and as recent as last week and it started with the first turn every time. It's been a great machine.

I disengaged and removed the bush hog from the three-point. I did some research and this is what I have tried:

1. One recommendation was to engage the highest gear, roll the back tire to make sure the starter wasn't bound and that I saw the fan rotating from the engine block. I can hear the starter turning and everything moved as expected. The transmission gears move everything looks good.

I disengaged the transmission and continued....

2. I heard the solenoid responding to the key but sometimes that's a indication of a low battery so I took the battery in and it was a little low from cranking on it
So I put it on the charger for just a bit Brought it back out and the same thing. I hooked my vehicle to it's as if I was jump starting it and I still got the same click but no starter.

3. I could not get anything out of the starter. Maybe i shouldn't have but I even bypassed the solenoid and just hooked up to the starter directly and still nothing happened.

At this point I'm kind of guessing the starter must have got damaged somehow but I really need a second opinion or maybe something else I'm missing I need to look at.

Thanks!

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svrunyan4075

09-09-2019 09:01:55




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 Re: Ford 8n: bushhog bogged down and tractor stopped - won't in reply to svrunyan4075, 09-08-2019 11:22:39  
These are good suggestions. All the electrical is new (Wiring, alternator, spark plugs, solenoid, battery, starter, etc - except push button switch and key). I realize anything can happen but I use this tractor and have been through all those issues before and check them first and regularly. Until this issue, it starts every time and with ease. It should, I've come here for all the suggestions from rewiring to all maintenance and suggestions from here.

Through process of elimination I really think the starter went bad, and it may have very well gotten shorted out. As I said, when I connected to the starter directly with the jumpers nothing happened. And back to Den N M's comments, I do not recall a spark. Since my first post and before reading these suggestions, I discovered the battery fluid may have tricked out, down and caused an issue. But I would have thought that would have affected the solenoid too... I will have to investigate further.

I will take all these suggestions back and further analyze and rehash them. It would be nice if it was a loose wire or bad connection.
I will post a reply with my findings or if the suggestions don't pan out.

I appreciate everyone's help!

Scott

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Tim PloughNman Daley

09-09-2019 10:44:49




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 Re: Ford 8n: bushhog bogged down and tractor stopped - won't in reply to svrunyan4075, 09-09-2019 09:01:55  
Did you not read my earlier post? Parts can be junk out of the box especially the new Cheena made crapola. There is no QC in China. Do you think the 9-year old kid assembling starters for 14 hours is going to tweak things correctly? Do you think he even knows how to tweak things? So, don't think because the unit is "new" it is good to go out the box for this and for anything else new. What elimination process did you perform? How does the battery 'leak out fluid'? That in itself leads me to believe the battery wasn't on j hold-0down device and bounced around, spilled water/electrolyte and probably shorted out a terminal post. "May have", "I think", "I do not recall", "I would have thought", "It would be nice to know" -all are not the proper true root cause problem solving method. Get the manuals,get your battery AND starter tested at a reliable shop. Simple, eh? Get the correct wiring diagram for your tractor, whatever it is 6V/POS GRN or 12V NEG/GRN, it doesn't matter as long as it is RIGHT! If I seem like a prik it's only so you can learn the proper methods and avoid making further mistakes. You get about 50 years experience from myself and I and others will tell you the RIGHT WAY so you can not repeat the mistakes we made and do it right the first time. When you ask for help yet ignore the advice, it's like a slap in the face, and you're saying screw you, I'm going to do it my way anyhow. Get a thick skin and buck up. Ya wanna be a reliable, responsible Ford N Owner dontcha?

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Tim PloughNman Daley

09-08-2019 18:29:09




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 Re: Ford 8n: bushhog bogged down and tractor stopped - won't sta in reply to svrunyan4075, 09-08-2019 11:22:39  
Another often overlooked fact when things just short out is if the battery isn't strapped down or secured with the OEM cover and bolts, and you are hogging/bouncing away, you may bounce the battery around and short out a post -that'll kill things in a hurry.


Tim P Daley(MI)



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Den N Ms

09-08-2019 17:50:25




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 Re: Ford 8n: bushhog bogged down and tractor stopped - won't sta in reply to svrunyan4075, 09-08-2019 11:22:39  
svrunyan4075If you hooked up jumper cables from your car or truck (with transmission in ((neutral) directly to the starter post.Did it spark at the cable end or no spark? The starter should run when jumped directly,if you have no spark when touching cable end to post the starter is open or bad.If it just sparks and not run the drive could be hung up on the flywheel.lossen the starter bolts and try rocking the tractor in 4th gear and see if it pops loose.

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showcrop

09-08-2019 17:35:35




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 Re: Ford 8n: bushhog bogged down and tractor stopped - won't in reply to svrunyan4075, 09-08-2019 11:22:39  
The problem that you have is usually caused by a cable connection even though the poster insists that the connections are perfectly clean and tight.



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Tim PloughNman Daley

09-08-2019 16:02:27




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 Re: Ford 8n: bushhog bogged down and tractor stopped - won't sta in reply to svrunyan4075, 09-08-2019 11:22:39  
Were you trying to take too big a bite with the hog? New batteries can be junk out the box/store so unless you verified it will sustain a full charge under load, it means nothing. A new solenoid (is it wired right) and you saw starter motor is 1 years old but not rebuilt? How is that? Donít rely on maybes and what ifs, diagnosis problems with true root cause problem solving methods. Mucked up wiring would be my hunch. No click on solenoid usually means a dead battery so first thing Iíd do is get it serviced at your local starter/alternator shop. It takes 5 minutes and is free at most places. Next, verify wiring is all correct and no loose wires. Itís easy to yank a wire loose while in the field if youíve done a makeshift wiring job. Baby steps. The worst thing you can do is start replacing parts without knowing if bad or good as well as guessing what the problem is.


Tim *PloughNman* Daley(MI)

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Wayne,az

09-08-2019 17:41:12




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 Re: Ford 8n: bushhog bogged down and tractor stopped - won't sta in reply to Tim PloughNman Daley, 09-08-2019 16:02:27  
I have had a similar problem with my 48-6volt..mine has a bad spot on flywheel ring gear and hangs up about every 100-150 starts..all I get is a slight click like dead battery..I disconect battery,,wires on starter and remove starter..Take large flat blade screw driver and rotate flywheel and put starter back in and away we go..I keep 2-5/16" nuts in the toolbox to keep starter from separating and the wrenches needed == 9/16 1/2 7/16 3/8.. I know I need to split tractor and fix problem,,but do not have time or health to do it yet..

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