Hybrid 8N Front Mount Converted To Side Mount

Dean

Well-known Member
I posted about this interesting 8N last July but found it back in my local CNH dealer's shop today.

It was in the shop because the new design starter drive drive gear had disintegrated (12V conversion). Upon inspection, the old guy that I sometimes work with at this dealer, and I learned that the drive gear in this design starter drive is simply staked or swaged into the drive housing and is not up to 12V conversions (maybe not even good 6V systems). This is yet another reason why one should not convert to 12V, but I digress.

This hybrid tractor has a 50 or later (not 52) transmission and rear axle but front mount engine that has been converted to side mount using a GM HEI distributor. Someone machined an aluminum right angle gearbox to adapt the HEI distributor to the front mount engine. The gearbox mounts to the engine where a side mount distributor mounts. I've never owned a front mount N, and am not familiar with the front mount engine cover, but it appears that a side mount front engine housing has been adapted. The block is definitely an early front mount block, e.g., no timing hole in bell housing, oil filler at front of block, etc. The gearbox is pressure lubed with engine oil as it has been connected in series with the oil line from the oil filter to the governor. Obviously, the governor housing has provision for the oil line but there is no provision for a tach cable.

The PO mounted an alternator on the left side of the engine and bent up an oil filler tube that snakes beneath and behind the alternator. There is no interference between the alternator and the oil filter. Perhaps, the engine has a late model cylinder head.

It's really an interesting conversion but one must wonder why the PO did not simply repair the original 6V cranking and charging system to proper operating condition rather than spend such time on the conversion.

FWIW, the old guy found a good used OEM design starter drive in the junk bin which we decided was the best solution to the owner's present dilemma.

I've several photos of this conversion on my old computer but have no easy way of posting them here. If anyone is interested, I can email the photos to someone who will post them in this thread.

Dean
 
Who knows what is in peoples minds. Sound to me like, those changes, were done by someone who has LOTS of time, and $$ on their hands.
I'd like to see your pix of this engine.
You can send the pix to me if you like, (I'll put them in a 'DEAN' folder) Then I can post them for you, if there are not too many pix.!!

Email is open on both Modern View, and Classic view.

I am always on Mod. view, but came to classic view, to open up the 'send mail' button for you!!

Gary
 
Since it appears that 12 volts is BAD and 6 volts is GOOD, one must only imagine how GREAT a THREE VOLT system might be... How could the auto & truck manufacturers get it so Wrong, he wondered.....
 
For those of you who do not know, the change from 6V to 12V was made to save money on copper.

Post back if you do not understand.

Dean
 
Thanks, GB.

I'll send some photos to you via email. We may need to exchange greeting emails in order for me to include attachments.

This is an interesting conversion so others may be interested.

Photos are on old computer so will go there to send initial email.

Dean
 
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You have an email @ your hotmail account.
Included my pho.#, and email address!!!

Gary :!: [/i:60a597b4a8][/b:60a597b4a8]
 
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Dean;
Here are the five pix. I received from you!!!
Hope this is what you wanted!!!


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There you go!!!
:D
Gary[/i:3eef2aaf65][/b:3eef2aaf65]
 

[b:9b726707e4][i:9b726707e4]"How could the auto & truck manufacturers get it so Wrong, he wondered....."[/i:9b726707e4][/b:9b726707e4]

i've asked this question a few times myself. still waiting for an answer.

i was told recently that some military vehicles are now 48 volt.
 
That will light up a Ns weak spark.I have seen GM's HEI throw a spark an inch long with a loud snap.OUCH!
 
Wouldn't surprise me.

Aircraft use 4** V.

Applications vary as do designs.

Dean
 

can u provide me with a list of manufacturers/models of six volt tractors currently produced?

thanks.
 
As I said, the change from 6V to 12V was made to save money mostly spent for copper.

Such was a good engineering decision that has absolutely nothing to do with 6V to 12V conversions of vintage tractors.

Absolutely nothing wrong with 12V cars, trucks, tractors, etc., but operating a 6V starter from a 12V battery on a vintage engine is not wise.

Your turn.

Dean

Dean
 

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