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NCmau

02-11-2019 12:58:53




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My bushhog has chains instead of rigid brackets. I will be soon hooking up this cutter to my 8N just for wood trails upkeep couple times a year, no fields. I see that most cutters have rigid brackets. Is there an advantage or disadvantage of using one type or the other. It would not be a problem installing couple of brackets. Just curious.




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NCmau

02-15-2019 05:36:30




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 Re: Chain or rigid brackets in reply to NCmau, 02-11-2019 12:58:53  
Thanks. This machine has served me well. It is the right size to do anything I have to do here. Over the years I made several attachments to the bucket including an attachment for 3PT implements.

I need another tractor like I need a hole in the head…. but I just had to have the classic 8N… it is not the Need, is the Want.



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Caryc

02-14-2019 10:05:58




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 Re: Chain or rigid brackets in reply to NCmau, 02-11-2019 12:58:53  
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Wow...good looking Workbull.



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NCmau

02-14-2019 09:25:46




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 Re: Chain or rigid brackets in reply to NCmau, 02-11-2019 12:58:53  
Here it is



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NCmau

02-14-2019 09:24:03




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 Re: Chain or rigid brackets in reply to NCmau, 02-11-2019 12:58:53  
Maybe someone can identify the loader, not it is that important, just curiosity. BTW I modified the bucket for my use.

[img]https://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/photos/mvphoto31370.jpg

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NCmau

02-14-2019 08:50:00




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 Re: Chain or rigid brackets in reply to NCmau, 02-11-2019 12:58:53  
I guess mine was bastardized, and the loader is not MF, it looks like a Ford. I rather have a front pump too, but it is not worth it for me to change the setup.



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Caryc

02-14-2019 07:56:18




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 Re: Chain or rigid brackets in reply to NCmau, 02-11-2019 12:58:53  
[quote="NCmau"](quoted from post at 06:17:40 02/14/19) [quote]The lift pins look high to me, but if it fits and works, not an issue.Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see

That's my Workbull you see in my pics. It has a front mounted pump for the loader. I thought the ones that came stock with a loader all had front mounted pumps.



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NCmau

02-14-2019 05:17:40




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 Re: Chain or rigid brackets in reply to NCmau, 02-11-2019 12:58:53  
[quote]The lift pins look high to me, but if it fits and works, not an issue.[quote]

Last time I used the mower was several years ago with my 9N. I can not use the mower with my Work Bull because it uses a PTO pump for the loader. I don’t remember why the lift pin are in the high position, but I think is because of the mower box being so high... maybe. Anyway when the time comes, I will see the best pin position.



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Caryc

02-12-2019 20:14:44




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Rather than leave the extinguisher out in the weather, I take it in the house when I'm not using the tractor. I hang the keys for both tractors on the extinguisher so I will not forget it when I start up a tractor.



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Royse

02-12-2019 19:03:55




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 Re: Chain or rigid brackets in reply to NCmau, 02-11-2019 12:58:53  
I don't see anything wrong with your setup NCmau.

The lift pins look high to me, but if it fits and works, not an issue.

The sway chains are more to keep the empty arms out of your

tires. With an implement, I would want sway bars in place.

Which you said you are using.

I would also make sure there's not enough slack in the long chains

to get into your PTO shaft when it's hooked up and operational.

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showcrop

02-12-2019 18:44:26




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 Re: Chain or rigid brackets in reply to NCmau, 02-11-2019 12:58:53  
Cary did your fire extinguisher not like it back there?



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Caryc

02-12-2019 16:07:33




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I've never seen chains hooked up like that. Look at my pic below. You see the sway chains hooked to a bracket at the PTO and going to the pin where the verticle arm connects to the lift arms. These chains just limit the side travel of the implement to keep it away from the tires. You can also see my stabilizer arms. You can get those brackets for the limiter chains that bolt on each side of your PTO right here at this site.
https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/NCA596B_Drawbar-Check-Chain-Kit_27634.htm

You see my limiter chains connected to the lugs on the rear end and going to the lift pins on the implement.


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NCmau

02-12-2019 15:00:52




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 Re: Chain or rigid brackets in reply to NCmau, 02-11-2019 12:58:53  
Yeah, I guess I leave the chains that hook up to the back as they are. It would be a better solution for me… that and the limiter chains that keep the front of the mower at a fixed height… and yes, stabilizer bars. Thanks everybody for the inputs. Curiosity pushed me to ask this question. Anyway this is what I have.



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PatrickB

02-12-2019 12:16:10




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 Re: Chain or rigid brackets in reply to NCmau, 02-11-2019 12:58:53  
I don't see any reason why you would need to go to rigid brackets NCmau. Did it come stock with those chains going to the rear of the mower? They are there to allow it to flex up and down. My King Kutter has a floating slot for the toplink pin for that purpose.



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Caryc

02-12-2019 11:27:46




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That's the first time I've seen a rifle scabbard hanging on a tractor. Are you having trouble with Injuns raiding your farm?



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soundguy

02-12-2019 11:16:58




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 Re: Chain or rigid brackets in reply to NCmau, 02-11-2019 12:58:53  
if you are talking toplink.. I like a rigid toplink, but a flex shackle on the mower at the toplink area.



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Eman85

02-12-2019 10:40:56




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 Re: Chain or rigid brackets in reply to NCmau, 02-11-2019 12:58:53  
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For some reason I don't see what limiter chains you mean. That top link hook up looks different at the Bush Hog. I have a similar King Kutter that doesn't have that.



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showcrop

02-12-2019 09:16:31




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 Re: Chain or rigid brackets in reply to NCmau, 02-11-2019 12:58:53  
Some here are talking about support of the front of the mower while some are talking about support of the rear. Many mowers appear to have rigid support of the rear when there is actually some sort of telescoping or hinging that is not readily noticeable as on my Woods mower. As Royse said you have to allow for when your tailwheel goes up and over terrain. I would not operate a rear mower that din't allow the tail wheel to go up.

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Caryc

02-12-2019 07:54:38




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When I purchased my 8N, the mower came with it. Someone made this sliding top link that they used on it. It lets the back of the mower rise and fall where it wants to. It gives the top link 8" of play. Plus it's safer than a chain because it will only let the mower come up so far.
As far as limiter chains, I use them on my 8N. The hydraulics work perfect but why have them do all that work of keeping the mower a certain distance off the ground when limiter chains do the same thing? And, of course I also use stabilizer bars.

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R Geiger

02-12-2019 07:20:23




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Most I have seen have the chains, mine has chains.



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NCmau

02-12-2019 05:43:23




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Look at Farmer Dan pic. He has rigid brackets from the top link to the mower. I have chains instead.



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NCmau

02-12-2019 05:36:19




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I do not mean the limiter chains. Even with the 8N, I use adjustable limiter chain from the top link to the lift arms to minimize hydraulic stress. I used them years ago when I had the 9N, but I like to use them with the 8N as well.

I meant rigid brackets from the top link to the mower itself.



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NCmau

02-12-2019 05:10:06




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Yes I understand that and, it seems like it would be a sensible approach, but I still wonder why the large majority of these mowers have rigid brackets. Well actually the mower itself is not rigid, it pivots at the top link and it still follows the ground… somewhat.



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Tim PloughNman Daley

02-12-2019 05:01:21




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 Re: Chain or rigid brackets in reply to NCmau, 02-11-2019 12:58:53  
Not sure what you mean, but think you are referring to Limiter Chains. You have an 8N with POSITION CONTROL so you don't need the chains and limiter brackets.

TPD



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NCmau

02-11-2019 16:53:25




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Yes those brackets. Basically i got the same setup



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Royse

02-11-2019 14:57:39




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 Re: Chain or rigid brackets in reply to NCmau, 02-11-2019 12:58:53  
Which brackets are you referring to? The ones that go from the top

link down to the mower deck? I have seen those replaced with chain

or partially replaced with chain, to allow the tail wheel to travel over

rough terrain without jamming the top link into the tractor.

Similar to this picture I found on the web.

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R Geiger

02-11-2019 14:51:00




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 Re: Chain or rigid brackets in reply to NCmau, 02-11-2019 12:58:53  
Not quite sure what you are talking about? can you post some photos?



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John in Mich

02-11-2019 13:30:29




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 Re: Chain or rigid brackets in reply to NCmau, 02-11-2019 12:58:53  
For my use, I liked sway bars to restrict any side to side movement and height limiter chains to maintain cutting height without depending on hydrauics to hold a constant height. I worked without both when I first bought my brushhog in 1972. Also, I did not have an overrun coupling for the first few years that I had that mower. Sure had some scary moments until I figured out to pull the PTO lever forward when I wanted to stop. Then, with the momentum of the PTO, I let that pick up the mower and also stop the rotation. I even learned how to re-engage the PTO on the move if the mower was still turning. Like shifting a manual transmission without using the clutch.

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Farmer Dan

02-11-2019 13:15:06




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 Re: Chain or rigid brackets in reply to NCmau, 02-11-2019 12:58:53  
On my 9N I use limiter chains, your 8N should have position control so you won't need the chains.



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ASEguy

02-11-2019 15:31:01




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 Re: Chain or rigid brackets in reply to Farmer Dan, 02-11-2019 13:15:06  
I like that set-up.



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