What starts at 5 degrees F? (pics)

Royse

Well-known Member
I needed to move a little snow today, so I started with my normal
snow mover (which is parked in the front of the barn) my 1974
3000 gasser with EI. It ran the battery low (not dead) before I
quit trying and put a battery charger on it. This tractor has a
mechanical fuel pump and therefore takes some time to get gas
to/through the carb but today was as bad as it has ever been.
After the charge, it started on it's own and once it started ran great.

While the battery was charging, I decided to try some of the others
that still had batteries in them Most do not. I put the batteries
in the shop to keep them warm and charged for the winter.

My '52 8N 6V with points started on the third "rumpa".
Purred like a kitten. No problems at all. I rebuilt the engine last winter.

The engine in my 1959 AC D14 I bought last fall started before
it finished a full revolution. This tractor smokes a bit so I
suspected it had low compression, but maybe not so bad.

My Farmall BN, 6V, distributor ignition fired right up.
The only reason this has a battery in it is because it's such a PITA
to get it out for the winter. I am keeping a tender on it and hoping for the best.

Neither of my Jubilees would start today. Both are 12V with points.
To be fair, neither of these tractors have been started in the last
few months. Batteries were able to crank them at normal speed,
but not fully charged. All of these tractors are shedded, but have
no heat source whatsoever.

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Sounds like a good day. My 9N started up on the first rumpa in a temperature of 8 F. It lives outside under a cover.

How well does your 3000 do powering that snowblower? I missed out on a 71 3000 gasser this past fall. I got there an hour too late. The guy sold it just before I arrived.
 
doublebass, powering the snowblower is not an issue at all.
The 3000 has plenty of power for it.

Feeding it seems to be the only issue I have with it.
When there is a lot of snow, low reverse eats it up fast!
When there is not so much snow, low reverse is too slow so the
blower doesn't get enough fed into it to throw the snow very far.

High reverse on the 3000 with the 8 speed is too fast to be usable
for most of my needs. Far faster than an N series in reverse.
And the 8N certainly has a "way-to-fast" reverse gear.
 
"I am curious why you would start a tractor at 5 to test if not needed?"

Making myself future projects? Simply curiosity since I was out there.

What I found interesting, was that the 6V tractors fired right up.
I see so many complaints about them not starting but I ddn't
have that issue today. Never had that issue with this old 9N either.
Here's a [b:d7ea66df32]Link[/b:d7ea66df32] to it starting on YouTube.
 
Dad had an Oliver 70 that would start immediately, always fun to hear that 6 cylinder run... Had a great governor and great brakes... essential features of ANY tractor! :)
 

Thanks for the test and report Royse. It is good for us to know that 6 volts will still start a tractor even when very cold.
 
Nice looking tractor.
Is that plow setup an original AC implement, aftermarket or home made? It looks pretty sturdy.
Careful though. Some here will gripe that it's not an N. Why, it's not even a Ford...
Wink
 

3000 Gassers are like a woman they like to be touched in their way are will rejected your attempt to fire them up...

All 3000 in general have always been touchy to start that I have dealt with hot are cold... Mine will flood rat now if you don't pay attention to the technique it likes... It acts very much like my 150 HP outboard engine in both cases the addition of a foot throttle made a big difference but you still have to use the same technique... Its the only tractor I have you have to be stetting in the seat for a successful start the first time...

I assume it still has a Holley carb with a accelerator pump its much easier to start and keep running Dead arse mean cold out it takes a little more fineness with the choke if you set the throttle at low setting and milk it with the foot feed after it hits...

Normal warm pull the choke as soon as you hit the starter let go of the choke as soon as it hits milk it with throttle only... To much choke and you have to clear it out its flooded...

All of this is much eaiser with a foot feed throttle even on a carb without an accelerator pump... You can react to the engine with a foot feed were you will never be fast enoufh to react with a hand throttle... With a foot feed you can keep it going with a hand throttle you loose it and have to start it over...

Its much like if your car will stall after a start but you are not fast enoufh to start it run and get under the hood to work the throttle to keep it running so you can figure out the issue...

I don't think you can compare a 3000 gasser to any other tractor
its not EI its fuel, fuel raito issues mine is points its a little cranky :(.... Its the only down fall of a Holley that is a different animal than a normal up-draft carb... I don't have an excuses for this other than the Holley is still king all the way around over any other carb you can install on it...

UP draft carbs the hidden secrets you can not see... :twisted:
 
My Father had a 42 WC. It, too, was a good cold weather starter with the magneto and hand crank.

Dean
 
Though I had so reason to try, I'm confident that my 52 8N and 55 860 would have started.

I did start 2 of the Kubotas without incident to plow snow.

Dean
 
My 3000 gas started great, but it sits in a barely heated (30*?) shop. It's equipped almost like yours, a 7' Ford front blade & a Cherokee 7' blower. After it being my "problem child" all last winter it has not given a moments trouble this winter. Sure hope I can score a cab for it soon! Am looking for a xx66 IH factory cab. I think that would look great!
 
Is the plow lift and angle electric/hydraulic?

If not, are you using a PTO driven pump?

Dean
 
It still has the Holley on it Hobo. I rebuilt the carb a few years ago.
I didn't have any trouble with it running. Once it got gas and fired,
it was running and stayed running without issue. Just took a long
time to get gas to the carb. Long enough to run that big ole battery
low. I may replace the mechanical fuel pump with an electric one at
some point. Before the starter gets damaged.
 
It's a pretty good setup Lynn. I wish my front blade had a float
position. I may add that too. This cab is an All Season cab that
is missing most of the interior insulation. While it keeps me
warmer, out of the wind and the blowing snow, it amplifies noise.
 
(quoted from post at 18:03:19 01/20/19) doublebass, powering the snowblower is not an issue at all.
The 3000 has plenty of power for it.

Feeding it seems to be the only issue I have with it.
When there is a lot of snow, low reverse eats it up fast!
When there is not so much snow, low reverse is too slow so the
blower doesn't get enough fed into it to throw the snow very far.

High reverse on the 3000 with the 8 speed is too fast to be usable
for most of my needs. Far faster than an N series in reverse.
And the 8N certainly has a "way-to-fast" reverse gear.

I know what you mean about finding that correct speed for proper feed. My 9N is too fast in first gear if there's a lot of snow (I'm running a pull type so I am driving forward instead of reverse). I have to take less than a full width bite when there's a foot or more (less is the snow is wet and heavy) which is why I've been looking to get a bigger machine eventually like a 3000 or an 800 series for snow removal duty. I would still keep my 9N for other chores of course.

My 9N is 6 volt as well, it never has issues starting in cold weather. The temperature right now is 2 degrees F where I live, I have to go clean up the remaining snow that fell yesterday. I have no doubt that old machine will fire right up on the first crank.
 
(quoted from post at 18:34:10 01/20/19) Dad had an Oliver 70 that would start immediately, always fun to hear that 6 cylinder run... Had a great governor and great brakes... essential features of ANY tractor! :)

Duey,

Your saying that about brakes actually gave me a lump in the throat. I almost killed myself on the jubilee on Thursday on a steep paved incline and it was only my one good working right brake that saved my bacon. I was a nervous wreck for a few days, re-running the "what if" scenarios in my head.

So this spring for brakes without fail!

I think I let myself be influenced by humorous comments here on the forum like, "brakes, what brakes."

Terry
 
Ha ha!
Those of you with your bloody Holleys!
You all must be some kind of masochists.
I just picked up a good bare block and
crank this weekend. Am building up a 201
gasser.
Will take all the peripherals off a 192
that's stuck hard - stack was open for who
knows how long.
It [b:654c4848f0]Will[/b:654c4848f0] get a Zenith and it
[b:654c4848f0]Will[/b:654c4848f0] start in cold weather.
Then I shall take great pleasure in
pretending I'm Tom Brady and heave that
darned Holley into the nearest swamp,
dumpster or scrap pile.
It's been 8 years or so since I've run a
gasser with any regularity. My last one
had a Zenith and EI and it started almost
instantly in any temperature. So if I'm
gonna go back to using one again that's
what it will have.
Go ahead Royse and Hobo. Start your poking
fun at me. But remember that as you do I'm
thinking and smirking about the posts you
just made how you gotta prime up your
Holley or finesse it like you're trying to
sleep with it like it's a girl.
Lol, wink, wink.
And don't get your fingers cold while your
finessing it.
Girls don't like you having cold hands.
 
Not poking fun at you Jerry, but you may have mis-read what I wrote.
The Holley performed flawlessly once I got gas to it from the fuel
pump. The carburetor was not an issue at all. Nor the EI.

Was your Zenith fed by an electric pump or gravity fed vs a mechanical
pump? Either of those would have made this tractor start sooner.
Although the gravity fed route can run out of power some times.
 
It's hard to say why yours wouldn't start
Royse.
I ran 3 cyl gassers for years and never
had an issue with getting fuel to the
carb.
Never had to "pump one up". If the spark
and fuel were good they started right
away.
I think that the mechanical fuel pump is
good. Kind of circuitous with all the
lines going to the front of the engine
then back to the carb but it works fine.
Have you ever gone through the system and
cleaned all your screens and filters?
There are no less than four of them on
those.
My 4200 has a 192 gas engine. When I got
it all the lines had been cut off and it
was running on gravity. Was short of power
when I tried to work it hard.
I temporarily put an electric pump on it
and that made all the difference.
I'm hoping to take that tractor in hand
this year and do a bunch of work to it.
When I do I have a set of oem lines and
will put it back to original with a new
pump.
Hobo, sure, I'll throw my old carb your
way. It'll be summer sometime.
Don't drop it tho. Cold hands and fingers
make it hard to catch stuff :)
 
(quoted from post at 18:18:18 01/20/19) "I am curious why you would start a tractor at 5 to test if not needed?"

Making myself future projects? Simply curiosity since I was out there.

What I found interesting, was that the 6V tractors fired right up.
I see so many complaints about them not starting but I ddn't
have that issue today. Never had that issue with this old 9N either.

we had some cold weather in northern new england, along with a bit of snow. i needed the 8n ('52) with a 703 loader to move snow. still 6V, stored outdoors uncovered, no battery tender. high temperature yesterday was -2* at my place, but the 8n started rumba rumba. i've had it now for about 7 years, and since i replaced the battery 5 years ago, it has started easily in all weather conditions and temperatures, including -20* F two years ago.

it saves me a lot of time over shoveling (not to mention saving my back), and the slush at the end of the driveway that freezes would be nearly impossible to remove with a shovel anyway, but the loader bucket (with down pressure) makes it painless.

wally
 

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