End of discussion on Ns Engine Heaters

L.B,

Member
Every winter this engine heater thing comes up. The magnet, lower hose heater--- you are wasting your time and money. The only thing better is Royces garage that has a in floor heating sys---- you lucky dog. This is a Kats Circulating Heater it actually moves the water through the engine. They are sold at Tractor Supply for $60+ and worth their weight in gold. I have put them on cars and trucks since 1973.Even with a light wind they work very good. Needs tarped or sheltered when a good wind is blowing a unheated garage is best. At 30 below tractor fires right up like a summer day.Disregard the photo with a red heater in the package it goes to a semi tractor.
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That is a good hook up. Heater is vertical, hoses are short, and no dips in the top hose, the heated coolant can rise all the way to the head. That won't take long to warm the engine. With a bracket it should last a long time.
 
In my opinion the circulating heater is more work and complication then what is needed. Install a Kats lower radiator heater and it works just fine. -20 F. plug in for 30 minutes and engine fires like it is 50F outside.
 
Tank heaters, lower hose heaters and block heaters are the best means of starting a cold engine in severe temps as they all heat the coolant and warm the entire engine.
It's 3 below here this morning and if I were to plug my cranky, grumbly little 3000 diesel in for an hour or two it would start like it's July.
It has a block heater. All of the three types are well worth the money. In fact, I've gotten so that I feel I'm being abusive to my tractor if I try to start it below about 35 degrees without heating it up first.
 
This is posted for N series 1939 through 1952 Gas powered tractors there is absolutely no mention of diesel--none. I have never heard or seen a N series Ford with a factory installed diesel.The photos are of a Red 1952 8N Ford Gas powered tractor. There is no welch plug heater that goes to a N series Ford that I know of do you know any?. Lower hose heaters for Ns do not circulate as a Kats circulating they only conduct heat to circulate it as far as I know, maybe there are block and hose heaters that do, if not a cold breeze will sap all the heat out if a breeze comes up and its outside. You failed to tell us what you think of the magnet heaters. Could you tell us what you think of the circulating heater and why a lower rad hose or magnet heater alone is better or even combination together will do to a N series what the circulating heater alone. It heats the engine and the radiator.In a car or truck it heats the engine and the heater so you have heat in the cabin in the shake of a lambs tail.This heating pump is also called a tank heater what does your tank heater look like? One last thing did your diesel come with glow plugs, manual or automatic either injection and block heater? Ns came with none of the above and that is what I am talking today N series.That is what I mean when I say best for the Ns. I am glad your tractor starts good L.B, Master of the obvious

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Dogs bark is worse then his bite,right, or so I hope. Sounds as if he is the leader of the pack, just watch were ya sniffs and keep your tail tucked.
 
Im guessing the old one between 25 and 30 yrs.I changed it this summer, old one still
worked. One on my pickup was 40 and still working
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More work and complicated? if this is complicated and more work you must have Jiffy
lube changing your oil, and your neighbor putting fuel in it for ya. Next you need to
hire somebody to drive it for ya. LOL
 
Mr. Obvious,
This discussion spun off the discussion below about magnetic engine heaters. You weighed in about tank heaters.
I agreed with you about the effectiveness of coolant heaters.
It does not matter if it is an N, a later Ford,
a John Deere, Farmall or a Kubota. The principle of cold weather starting is the same.
Cold temps reduce the volitility of the fuel air mixture making the engine harder to start.
Heating the combustion chamber increases volitility whether you are running gas, propane, diesel, kerosine or even wood gas.
The most effective way to heat the combustion chamber is to heat the coolant that surrounds it.
Heating the combustion chamber is a more effective cold weather starting aid than heating the oil with a dipstick heater or magnet heater on the pan - especially nowdays with multi viscosity oils.
I see no great advantage to your type of coolant heater over another.
Perhaps your tank heater has some advantage when it comes to circulation but convection heating via a block heater or hose heater is nearly as effective.
For more comparing, a tank heater is probably the least energy efficient of the 3 types.
Compare your external apparatus to the photo of my block heater. Grab your tank heater while it is on and I'll bet you won't hang onto it very long. There is a lot of heat being dissipated via the tank and hoses Before it ever gets to heat your coolant. A block heater is inserted directly into the coolant so there is very little wasted energy. I suspect a lower hose heater falls somewhere in the middle of the two.
Also, look at how clean of an installation a block heater is. A lower hose heater is only slightly less so.
Both are much less likely to be torn off the tractor by brush or something than a tank heater too.
I installed a tank heater on my 69 Rambler back in the 70s. It worked good. But I doubt I would ever put one on a tractor. I've just seen too many tank heaters that look like the ones below to ever want one.
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I am still debating on a tank , block , or radiator hose heater for my 3000 diesel . I don't have an N running this winter .

Currently I am pointing the 30k btu kerosene heater (w/ diesel fuel ) towards the block under the intake . It makes quick work of the heating as it gets the block , intake , and fuel system . When I start the motor I spin it towards the rear to heat up the UTF a little as it doesn't like the cold either .


Tractor Supply has a Kats lower hose heater for $30 , a 1000w tank heater for $40 or magnetic heaters for $40 - $60 .

I don't know about the magnetic heaters , but they would also work on the rear end / trans and you could switch between tractors / 4 wheeler / etc .

I will probably buy a tank heater and put it on my '89 GMC work truck and blow of getting one for the tractor this year , that's just how life goes .
 
Sorry but it was for Ns and its a dang good idea and I wanted to pass it on. By the way isnt -3 short sleeve weather in the Twin Cities.
 

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