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Bill Crowell

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For the next several years I intend to collect my firewood from a 5-acre oak copse on the back of my property, and I keep wiping out the fiberglass fender extensions on my dually on the leaning trees. I am getting tired of fixing them, so I guess I really need to buy a farm wagon to tow behind my 8N rather than using the dually to collect firewood. I can't seem to find any used farm wagons, so I'm probably going to have to buy one new. Would any of you know of one that is a good value? Thanks a lot.
 
Where are you at that you cannot find any used wagons? Lots around. And I think Pioneer might be only company that would make a wagon small enough for that and it is an Amish company so builds what horses can handle. Don't think any other company makes under a 12 ton Gear and then they are only made with a happer bed on them as part of the wagon.
 
Just when moving wagons, the 8n was getting pushed around a little going down hills when trying to stop. I found this out when going down hill and the tractor pooped out of first and I had to apply the brakes. I slid for probably two yards.
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Bill Crowell , A fast cheap way to haul firewood with a N would be .Find you a old pickup with a good 8 foot bed and rear end under it and make a 2 wheel trailer out of the frame,rear end and bed.They are easy to make For a couple hundred or so and you would have a good wood hauler and a trailer for other uses to.A two wheel trailer is much easier to turn around and back into tight places to load and unload than a wagon would be.
 
I found a 4x6 trailer that fits behind my 8N tractor really nice for those trips to the back of my property. It has 15" rims and is really handy.
 
(quoted from post at 08:41:15 01/08/19) I can't seem to find any used farm wagons, so I'm probably going to have to buy one new. Would any of you know of one that is a good value? Thanks a lot.
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Bill,

Here's how to make a super farm trailer.

Start with any old truck chassis with 4 wheels and a typical leaf spring/axle I-beam and tie rod front end.

1. Unbolt the four spring U-bolts and drop the axle. Turn the entire axle and tie rod 180 degrees so that the long tie rod is now up front. bold the axle back up to the 4 U-Bolts.

2. Put a heavy steel U-strap with two pin holes around the
truck I-beam, bring your tongue in to it and put a big pin
down through it all. Now your tongue swings side to side.

3. Weld two U-shaped shackles with large Pin holes to each end
of the tie rod where you cut the piece out. Those two
shackles will pin-connect to the sides of your long tongue.

Now your front wheels will turn with the action of the tongue.

I got this idea in Vancouver long ago. I was looking at the little tin shacks on wheels that the road crews were working out of and I kneeled down to see how they were made. Lo and behold they were all on 50's truck chassis" put together like I described.

Terry
 
Hi, trailer's for use in the wood's or other odd job's on your
property are fairly easy to make. Lot's of information available
on this site. Wagon's are a little more complicated. A wagon is not
user friendly with myself when it comes to backing up. Cheers, Murray
 
I coutinually watch Craigslist and want ads for bare running gear for a wagon. I have bought 5 in the past few years for about $200 each and we still have 4. On one we built a 12' hayride wagon and my son now has that.
A second one has a simple flatbed and currently has my 6 & 1/2 foot pickup camper on it to move it around easliy. Last year I had both the camper and my golf cart on the 12' bed and pushed it into the barn for the winter.
The third one has a 12' bed on it and currently resides in my 24' trailer. I haul this wagon to tractor show flea markets and roll the wagon out to display my wares. A winch pulls it back into the trailer.The golf cart that could not get into the barn is also in the trailer. When I need to move the camper, the golf cart easily handles the task.
The fourth wagon is still bare framed. I have the wheels off of it to be sand blasted and painted. I found 4 white wall tires that will fit it. I'm not sure just what I will do with it yet.
Just for fun one day I hooked 3 together and pulled them around the field with the golf cart.
I still look for wagons. LOL
 
At 14 I used to pull two grain wagons behind the '51 8N, with 3,000 pounds of grain in each about 10 miles and
could get into step up 4 gear along the way. I had to be careful going down a hill, fortunately, only
one relativly low one. Second wagon might sway a bit.
Brake pedal locks would have been nice for road gear. I got caught short at a traffic light in town in
high gear. The light changed. The left wheel was all I had to stop all this stuff. I drug that tire
for about 100 feet.
 
Unless you're REALLY good backing up a farm wagon, taking one of those into the woods can be a frustrating event if you have to back up. I'd stick with a standard trailer format just for that reason.
 
(quoted from post at 18:04:15 01/08/19) This one is about 30 miles from me.
Another one
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John,

I'd like one like THAT just to park in my yard to put all my steel on.
plus with my height it would make a great workbench. :D

Would look great painted with rust paint.
Nice antique wheel on the back of the deck; might come with it.

T
 
Wagons and trailers seem to carry steep prices here in north-central Kentucky. Hay wagon running gears in just decent shape average around $850, I'd say. Utility trailers seem to average on up there as well. There is one fellow a few miles from me listing a rusted out, badly twisted house trailer frame on CL for $150, but it's been on there for over two months with no takers it's such a mess...

I'd love to find one of the old Ferguson SW-2W 3/4 ton utility wagons but as I've never seen one in any condition around hereabouts, I'm not holding out a lot of hope. I may eventually end up fabricating one from scratch, as it looks like a very versatile rig and just the right size for what I'd like to have.


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Exactly what is a "farm wagon" to you? Do you have in mid a hay wagon? there are a lot of them for sale, but it would probably not work well in the woods. Or maybe you have in mind a two wheel trailer like everyone else uses for wood? That would probably work better but you have to be very careful to put only just a little weight on the tractor hitch. Tell a little about what you have in mind.
 
Tall t your wagon will wander all over the place doing what you say. The caster and camber will be backwadrs for towing at any speed more than tractor speed. I just weld a plate on the top and the bottom of the axle beam with a tube through them. This makes the base for the tongue to pin on to.
then use some plate to stick under the axle for the tierod to bolt to. Then with 2 plates up edge wise and a top plate weld this all together then drill a hole for the tongue to bolt to this allows it to move up and down while the other pin lets it move sideways for turning. It will track good at 50 mile per hour if the towin is set right. I then weld stops to the axle that hit the side of the main piece of the tongue for turning limitation. These stops are the same as the stops on the spindles.
I would use an old pick up frame and strip the box off. For woods maneuvering short and narrow is best. Width of your tractor at most.
 
I've got pretty much the same thing, an angle iron 1st generation U-Haul 4x8, rusted but solid, paid $40 for it. Lots of them hiding in the weeds for $50-100 if you look.

After getting used to it, I'd never want anything larger. especially because it spends most of its time hooked up to the ball on the front grill guard backing up. Amazing how maneuverable a trailer is when used this way, I can snake it snug up to the woodshed door so no wasted effort.

Another thing about a bigger trailer is the notorious n-series brakes, especially if it's hilly where you live.

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A single axle trailer has several advantages. It is easier to back, easier to load because it sits lower,
and you may be able to partially unload by just lifting up the 3 point and popping the clutch. I see some small trailers for sale that are cheap because they have no title. I had some stub axles that I used to have a small heavy duty trailer frame welded up and I added wood floor and side racks. Its been extremely useful over the years .
 
"copse" nothing to do with your wagon but that's the first time Ive seen that word used since I read Pickets charge at the battle of gettysburg.
 
We bought this trailer at a pawn shop for $225. Probably $100 in lumber to fix it. We use it for everything.
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(quoted from post at 17:51:49 01/09/19) "copse" nothing to do with your wagon but that's the first time Ive seen that word used since I read Pickets charge at the battle of gettysburg.
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Henry, when you go there and tour the battle fields you will come across a description that includes a reference to a "copse of trees". It probably was used more in those days.
 
(quoted from post at 11:41:15 01/08/19) For the next several years I intend to collect my firewood from a 5-acre oak copse on the back of my property, and I keep wiping out the fiberglass fender extensions on my dually on the leaning trees. I am getting tired of fixing them, so I guess I really need to buy a farm wagon to tow behind my 8N rather than using the dually to collect firewood. I can't seem to find any used farm wagons, so I'm probably going to have to buy one new. Would any of you know of one that is a good value? Thanks a lot.
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oo bad you are not close to Texas, as I would let you have this red JD gear one that has scaffold on it in picture.


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(quoted from post at 21:38:02 01/09/19)
(quoted from post at 11:41:15 01/08/19) For the next several years I intend to collect my firewood from a 5-acre oak copse on the back of my property, and I keep wiping out the fiberglass fender extensions on my dually on the leaning trees. I am getting tired of fixing them, so I guess I really need to buy a farm wagon to tow behind my 8N rather than using the dually to collect firewood. I can't seem to find any used farm wagons, so I'm probably going to have to buy one new. Would any of you know of one that is a good value? Thanks a lot.
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oo bad you are not close to Texas, as I would let you have this red JD gear one that has scaffold on it in picture.


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(quoted from post at 06:15:12 01/09/19) Tall t your wagon will wander all over the place doing what you say. The caster and camber will be backwadrs for towing at any speed more than tractor speed. tractor at most.
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Even with the tie rod up front, the adjustable tie rod ends are still available to correct the tires.

The rod could also be made adjustable at the tongue.

Anyway, that is exactly how the Vancouver Canada road crew shacks were made and moved to a job site and parked . . . probably slowly and in the wee hours. :)
 
mine is actually to big for the 8n,,but got it for 35 dollars at a farm sale ,it had flat tires

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my brother had some wheels and tires that fit and were already mounted,I still have the original wheels with the flat tires somewhere in the barn
 
(quoted from post at 01:31:34 01/11/19) Larry,

That old shed with the stone foundation is a thing of beauty!
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T, you need to visit SE PA. you could see hundreds of sheds like that as well as hundreds of large post and beam barns.
 
Great historical buildings, built to last! What a barn!

Here's my wood trailer that i made from the back end of a 1958 Austin A 55. :)

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Larry,

I think I might have mistakenly taken that tall stone building with all the windows as the barn, and that corner of a veranda sticking out in the photo, the "house" you mentioned.

But I'm thinkin' that the tall building with the chimney and all the multi-pane windows, might have housed a very large family.

My money's on house;
Did I win?
Maybe there was a huge wood/coal furnace in that big stone barn
for all I know. :D

Double T
 
I have 3 hay racks and my trailer to haul wood. The hay racks I can get cord and half and more on trailer depending how it's stacked.
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(quoted from post at 23:24:54 01/11/19) I have 3 hay racks and my trailer to haul wood. The hay racks I can get cord and half and more on trailer depending how it's stacked.

You folks have some magnificent spreads!

Great stonework on your house!
Built to endure . . . tradition.
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