Electronic Ignition for 8N

8N24342

Member
Can someone direct me to the conversation where I can review installation of an Electronic Ignition for my front mount 1948 8N? (Ser.# 66103}
Also, any pros and cons for the change over. I can't seem to get my tractor running smooth even with a brand new carburetor. Fuel is clean and flowing. All new wiring harness. Maybe I'm not setting points correctly. So I'm wondering if the Electronic Ignition would be better. Thanks in advance for any help.
 
EI has been discussed here ad infinitum. An archives search will give you all you need to know.


But, if you are not sure about setting the points, that could easily be your problem. And it could save you $200 for an EI kit.....that may or may not fix your problem.

The first thing you need to check is bushing wear. If the shaft has any sideways movement AT ALL, the bushings must be replaced. (see Note 1, below) Next, if this is the first time you have had the distributor off the tractor, make sure the advance weights are in working order. (See Note 2, below)

Next, look at how the points & condenser are set in the distributor before you start pulling it down! Turn the tang & observe how the points open & close. If this is your first time doing it, draw a sketch! Make sure you are using quality points. I use only Wells, Blue Streak or Echlin brand points (See Note 3, below). Be careful not to ground the tip of the condenser wire to the body of the distributor when you replace the points. Do not break the little copper strip that go to the points. (If you do, make another out of the old set of points). Check the insulator w/ your meter. If it's bad, replace it with a Hillman Group square .375 license plate screw, Item # 138916, model #881189. Also, make sure the condenser wire does not go through the same opening in the distributor as the coil pig tail. The condenser wire goes through the opening on the top right.

Look at the old points; are they burned, pitted or misaligned? Check the point gap, .015 on all four lobes. Make sure the blade is at a perfect right angle to the points. You want to feel just the slightest bit of drag when you pull the blade through the points. Set the points on the high side of the cam and ensure they align correctly. Make sure you have the star washers under the screws on the points. If you need to replace the 8-32 X.19 fillister head screws, ensure that the new screws do not interfere with the advance weights. Dress the points by running a piece of card stock or a brown paper bag through them. New points sometimes have an anti-corrosive dielectric coating on them & old points can corrode or pick up grease from a dirty feeler gauge or excessive cam lubricant. And, don?t forget to lube the rubbing block w/ cam lube; not Vaseline, not bearing grease, but cam lube . (See Note 3, below).

If you are using quality points and cannot get the gap to open to .015, chances are you need to replace the bushings. (See Note 2, below)

Now, set the timing. Get a meter or test light, a 21/64? drill bit (See Note 4, below) & a metal straight edge. Put the distributor face down w/ the condenser on the left & the timing plate lock screw on the bottom. Look at the end of the shaft: it has a narrow side & a wide side. Make sure you can tell the difference. Now, place the drill bit in the bottom mounting hole (this will be your reference point for measuring). Next, place a straight edge on the wide side of the tang on the shaft as shown in fig. FO83 in the picture. Rotate the shaft CCW (as viewed from rotor side OR CW as viewed from back/tang side) until the straight edge is ?" beyond the outside edge of the drill bit you stuck in the distributor mounting hole. At this distance, the distributor points should start to open (get your meter/light out now & check). If not, loosen the timing plate lock screw and turn to advance or retard the timing (move the plate down to advance timing, up to retard). Remember, each one of those little hash marks represents about 4? of timing. Keep adjusting until you get the proper ?" setting. (if the plate won?t move, you might need to remove the big C clip to loosen it a bit) As you?re adjusting, eliminate backlash by turning the shaft backwards (CW as viewed from the front) and bring the shaft forward (CCW as viewed from the front) to measure your setting. This ?" setting will get you static timing at top dead center.

Double-check your firing order & plug wires. It?s 1-2-4-3, counterclockwise. It?s very easy to cross 3 & 4 both at the cap and on the head.

And finally, do not forget to remove the distributor on at least an annual basis (more often, depending on use) to check the point gap and re-lube the cam.





Note 1: Unscrew the plate hold down screw & remove the C clip to get the plate out. Remove the shaft & weights. The weights should freely move.



Note 2: There are three ways to replace the bushings in a front distributor:

1. Buy new bushings (part numbers 9N12120 front & 18-12132 rear). Press out the old ones, press in the new ones and ream to fit. CAUTION: do not try this unless you have a press & know how to use it. If you break the base, a new one costs $130. If you bend the tower which holds the front bushing, a new plate will cost you $30.

2. Take the new bushings and distributor to your local machine shop.

3. Send the distributor out for bushing replacement if you do not have a
local machine shop.
75 Tips
 
Thank you Bruce. I will go work and follow your suggestions. I will also post back in a few days with an update.
 
You're welcome.

Re the timing, if you have problems, a jig makes it a lot easier to set.

Dan Allen, aka "The Old Hokie' makes them.

https://windyridgefarm.us/
 
"I can't seem to get my tractor running smooth"

What do you mean by "running smooth"?
If you're talking about the occasional putt out of the exhaust that
many have or a miss when it's running, good points or EI may, or
may not fix it. If you've got good spark and timed correctly, you
may have valve problems. A broken valve guide for example.

I won't get into the EI argument, it's not a bad upgrade, but EI
will not fix a tractor that doesn't run right for other reasons.
 
If you do not mind spending the extra money for EI then do it and you will be glad you did. There are extremely knowledgeable capable mechanics on this site that can keep their N's running OEM but I am not one of them. I put an EI on my front mount last winter and I am very glad I did. I also converted to 12V and now my N starts quickly every time and runs like a dream. Even in very cold weather. My 841 got the EI as well. My 601 and my MF 35 will get theirs next time they go to the barn.
 

We sell tractor parts! We have the parts you need to repair your tractor - the right parts. Our low prices and years of research make us your best choice when you need parts. Shop Online Today.

Back
Top