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Eric in Sonoma,

05-08-2018 11:29:33




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My 9N does not have spark.

The 9N is a 6 volt, positive ground with front mount distributor.

I used a testing light to trouble shoot the no spark problem. During trouble shooting, the testing light was connected to the terminal on top of the coil. When the ignition switch is off the testing light is on. When the ignition switch is on the testing light goes dim. When engine turns over light is still dim and goes on and off.

Why can’t I get spark? Why does the testing light go dim?

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Eman85

05-09-2018 21:34:38




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 Re: no spark on 9N in reply to Eric in Sonoma, Ca, 05-08-2018 11:29:33  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Where and how are you testing for spark? I'm having problems with your statement that when the ignition is off the light is on. That makes no sense.



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Bill Crowell

05-09-2018 06:39:33




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 Re: no spark on 9N in reply to Eric in Sonoma, Ca, 05-08-2018 11:29:33  
"Why does the testing light go dim?"

Because when the points are open you get full battery voltage on the coil top terminal, but when the points close that leg of the circuit is being pulled to ground through a resistor, so you get only about half of battery voltage on the coil terminal.



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Bruce (VA)

05-08-2018 13:45:18




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 Re: no spark on 9N in reply to Eric in Sonoma, Ca, 05-08-2018 11:29:33  
Using the correct tool is important as Bob said; if you are going to use a light in this application, it needs to be non-powered. I've found a multi-meter to be a better choice.

The first thing you need to check is for battery voltage at the coil. Yes, you need a meter for that, not a light. With the key on, you should see battery voltage battery with the points open and about half that with the points closed. If you do not see either, the problem is between the battery and the coil, e.g., the resistor, ignition switch or a bad connection.

Assuming that the bushings & advance weights are ok (*see below), & that you have correct voltage to the coil , the most common reasons for no spark or a weak spark on the front distributor are below. Check each one carefully. Even if you find a problem, check all 10:

1. The insulator under the brass concave head screw & where the copper strip attaches. (it's fiber & will wear out; poke & prod w/ your meter leads to make sure it still works) If you need to replace the insulator, use a .250 x 3/8 nylon square nylon anchor nut available at most big box home stores.

2. The pigtail at the bottom of the coil not making contact w/ the concave head brass screw inside the distributor. (With the coil on, the pigtail must firmly contact the brass screw. No contact = no spark) Check for continuity between the top of the coil and the pig tail; a 6 volt coil will be around 1 ohm & a 12 volt coil should be 2 to 3 ohms.

3. The copper strip is broken or grounded to the plate. (look very carefully for cracks & breaks) .

4. The distributor is not grounded to the block because of paint or grease acting as an insulator. Or the points plate is covered in oil.

5. The tab on the bottom of the coil not making contact w/ the brass button on the cap. (With the cap on, the tab must firmly contact the brass button. No contact = no spark.) Check for continuity between the top of the coil and the tab; you should see about 6k ohms.

6. A grounding issue inside the distributor: Incorrect positioning of the spring clip on the plate causing the pigtail to ground. (the open part of the clip goes between 7 & 9 o'clock on the plate. That puts the straight part of the clip opposite of the timing screw at 3 o'clock) or the condenser wire is grounding to the plate or side of the distributor.

7. Incorrect seating of the coil on the distributor due to a loose bail or no gasket.(the coil must not move at all; if it does, replace the gasket or bail. Or stick some cardboard under the bail).

8. Water/moisture inside the cap due to gasket failure or the absence of a gasket. (the cap AND coil have gaskets)

9. Dirty/corroded/burned/incorrectly gapped or misaligned points. I use only Wells, Blue Streak or Echlin brand points (* *see below). If you are using quality points and cannot get the gap to open to .015, chances are you need to replace the bushings. If the shaft has any sideways movement AT ALL, the bushings must be replaced. (*** see below) If the tractor has been sitting unused for a few months, it’s highly likely that the points are glazed. Dress them with brown paper or card stock. Do NOT use a file or sandpaper. That removes the thin metallic coating on the surface and reduces point life considerably. With the points closed, you should have continuity between them; high resistance means they are glazed.

10. Burned rotor, cracked/carbon tracked cap. Brass “dust” in the cap is a sure sign of bushing wear.

After find the problem & re-check the point gap, do a continuity check before you put the distributor back on the tractor. Before you start, make sure your meter/light works.

With the distributor still off the tractor, follow these steps:

1. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other on both sides of the open points. On the side closest to the cam, you should have continuity. Not on the other side! If you do, you will also have continuity everywhere because the points are grounded.

2. Coil off, cap off, points open. One probe on the brass screw & the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity! Now, rotate the tang on the distributor....as the points open & close, you have continuity (closed) and lose it when they open.

3. Put the coil on the distributor, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other on the cam side of the open points. You should have continuity!

4. Coil on, cap off, points open. One probe on the lead on the top of the coil, the other anywhere on the body of the distributor. You should have no continuity!

At this point, I just put the distributor, coil & cap all back on the tractor as a unit. The reason I do this is because it is real easy to get the cap or coil misaligned trying to put it back together, one piece at a time. The result is something gets broken or you get a 'no spark' problem.

It's possible to put it back on wrong & break it. Look at the slot on the end of the cam shaft. Whatever angle it happens to be, turn the distributor tang to match it. Make sure you can tell the wide side from the narrow side on both the cam & distributor! (close counts). Place the distributor on the front of the engine, gently push it in place & slowly turn the distributor body until you feel the tang slip into the slot. Rotate the distributor body until the bolt holes line up. Hand tighten the two bolts until the distributor body is flush with the timing gear cover.

* Unscrew the plate hold down screw & remove the C clip to get the plate out. Remove the shaft & weights. The weights should freely move. The tracks should not be wallowed out.

** Yesterday's Tractor kit:

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No: APN12000ABSR

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Jock(OR)

05-09-2018 19:31:17




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 Re: no spark on 9N in reply to Bruce (VA), 05-08-2018 13:45:18  
Warning: Some aftermarket distributors have Metric outside diameter main bushings. I ran into this on a front-mount 8N that I worked on recently. The stock bushing won't fit properly in the Asian body.



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Bob

05-08-2018 11:39:50




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 Re: no spark on 9N in reply to Eric in Sonoma, Ca, 05-08-2018 11:29:33  
"I used a testing light"

Define "testing light".

Is it self-powered (has a battery inside)?

Where did you connect the ground lead, to the tractor chassis, to the (-) battery terminal, or to the (+) battery terminal?



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Eric in Sonoma, Ca

05-08-2018 11:52:28




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 Re: no spark on 9N in reply to Bob, 05-08-2018 11:39:50  
The testing light is self powered with the ground lead connected to the "+" battery terminal



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Bob

05-08-2018 13:32:12




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 Re: no spark on 9N in reply to Eric in Sonoma, Ca, 05-08-2018 11:52:28  
You are testing a circuit that is already being powered by the tractor's battery.

You need to use a simple NON-POWERED test light, NOT a self-powered unit with it's own battery.



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Eric in Sonoma, Ca

05-08-2018 13:42:59




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 Re: no spark on 9N in reply to Bob, 05-08-2018 13:32:12  
My earlier statement was incorrect. The test light I use is non-powered.



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