Welcome! Please use the navigational links on your left to explore our website.

Company Logo Shop Now
   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver
 
Marketplace
Classified Ads
Photo Ads
Tractor Parts

Community
Discussion Forums
Project Journals
Tractor Town
Your Stories
Show & Pull Guide
Events Calendar
Hauling Schedule

Galleries
Tractor Photos
Implement Photos
Vintage Photos
Help Identify
Parts & Pieces
Stuck & Troubled
Vintage Ads
Community Album
Photo Ad Archives

Research & Info
Articles
Tractor Registry
Tip of the Day
Safety Cartoons
Tractor Values
Serial Numbers
Tune-Up Guide
Paint Codes
List Prices
Production Nbrs
Tune-Up Specs
Torque Values
3-Point Specs
Glossary

Miscellaneous
Tractor Games
Just For Kids
Virtual Show
Museum Guide
Memorial Page
Feedback Form

Yesterday's Tractors Facebook Page

Related Sites
Tractor Shed
TractorLinks.com
Ford 8N/9N Club
Today's Tractors
Garden Tractors
Kountry Life
  
Minneapolis Moline Tractors Discussion Forum
:

Miineapolis Moline RE engine

Welcome Guest, Log in or Register
Author  [Modern View]
MNGB

04-11-2018 20:24:36




Report to Moderator

Hi all can anyone tell me the thinking behind the MM cross valve/ side head engine? They must have had some thought to this different design I know it was a good engine and produced good power My Dad farmed with a Z for many years and it was a good tractor and I have more than a few hours standing on it

GB in MN




[Log in to Reply]   [No Email]
MNGB

04-12-2018 10:51:46




Report to Moderator
 Re: Miineapolis Moline RE engine in reply to MNGB, 04-11-2018 20:24:36  
Hi thanks to all for the replies very interesting I've been going to ask for sometime but never go it asked, I didn't realize that the headless hit & miss use a similar configuration but then again I'm not to familiar with hit & miss engines.

My brain is trying to figure out what all the saved are push rods for sure cam follower / lifters would they be counting that there's no pan and the associated gaskets and bolts & washers?

GB in MN

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Ronnie Budd

04-12-2018 09:31:42




Report to Moderator
 Re: Miineapolis Moline RE engine in reply to MNGB, 04-11-2018 20:24:36  
From an article in the July 29, 1937 issue of "Farm Implement News", MM Chief Engineer A. W. Lavers had this to say about the new Model Z's engine. "It has literally 140 less motor parts, and it can be serviced from a milk stool with no drip in the eyes. In fact, you can put the Z in the parlor and it won't smear the rug. It has no oil pan at all. The crankcase is one solid casting without a gasketed joint below the plane of the shaft." He goes on. "How is an engine serviced from a milkstool? Sit down on your stool with a suitable wrench, back off the bolts on the camshaft side of the block and two plates come off. Before you are the connecting rod bearings and the tappets for any needed adjustments. Go around to the other side, sit down comfortably, remove those bolts and off comes the spark plug cylinder head cap. And, there are your valves open for grinding."

These engines were designed to be easily serviceable and repairable by the farmer who owned one. They have also proven to be very durable. I still have the tractor I grew up on. It's a 1950 ZA. When I overhauled the engine last year, the cylinders and pistons were still standard bore and within dimension. New rings restored the compression and I pull it in antique pulls, 60 years after I drove it plowing the fields.

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Kirbsterbbq

04-12-2018 07:20:12




Report to Moderator
 Re: Miineapolis Moline RE engine in reply to MNGB, 04-11-2018 20:24:36  
I know several other engine manufacturers did embrace this design early on, many of the old farm engines had the headless design with the walking beam valve train, the big notables were Fairbanks Morse, Witte, and several Waterloo gas engine company spin offs. (pre John Deere Era)

In early Fairbanks Literature it says it was a simple design with less parts to maintain, but the downfall was that this method was noisy and the Fairbanks dealer memos say it was prone to constant adjustment. I really do not know about this, but shortly after this memo all Fairbanks Morse Farm engines with this design were abandoned.
Again in the industrial realm of this design, pre 1910 there were several Gas Engine Producers that used this design like Snow, Buffalo,and several other side shaft engine builders, one notable was the Munzel. Munzel was an engine that was built by Minneapolis Steel and Machinery under license of the G Luther Company of Braunschweig Germany. Munzel visited MSM several times and these visits were Printed in the Minneapolis Journal newspaper one printing noted in April 29, 1905 this revolutionary design was to be built exclusively by MSM.

I have never seen a Munzel engine nor have I ever heard of one existing, this engine was the designed replacement to the Twin City Corliss Patent Steam Engine.

I have several books from the turn of the 20th century about this engine style used. It is fascinating to see where engine design has taken us in just over 100 years.
third party image

[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
Ill John

04-12-2018 06:22:54




Report to Moderator
 Re: Miineapolis Moline RE engine in reply to MNGB, 04-11-2018 20:24:36  
seems to me that Lamborgini or one of the exotic car companies used that design early on, can't remember which one



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
jwuertz

04-12-2018 06:22:20




Report to Moderator
 Re: Miineapolis Moline RE engine in reply to MNGB, 04-11-2018 20:24:36  
The MM adds said that the engine had 140 fewer parts than traditional designs. Fewer parts, less maintenance.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
molinegb

04-12-2018 05:42:50




Report to Moderator
 Re: Miineapolis Moline RE engine in reply to MNGB, 04-11-2018 20:24:36  
All every found about design was that it originated in Germany.



[Log in to Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Log in to Reply]

Hop to:


TRACTOR PARTS TRACTOR MANUALS
Fast Shipping!  Most of our stocked parts ship within 24 hours (M-Th). Expedited shipping available, just call! Most prices for parts and manuals are below our competitors. Compare our super low shipping rates! We have the parts you need to repair your tractor. We are a company you can trust and have generous return policies. Shop Online Today or call our friendly sales staff toll free (800) 853-2651. [ About Us ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2018 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters

Website Accessibility Policy