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Waggawill

11-11-2023 19:04:14




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Hi gents new to the site. Based in Australia enjoying a hot summer.

My dilemma is I have a need to replace the timing chain of my MF135, I have managed to disassemble all the way to the Crankshaft Pulley, Front wheel assembly and so on. i have removed the Crank Nut with no issue, but for the life of me I cannot remove the pulley. I have a puller but all I am achieving is damaging the pulley itself. I have heat treated the pulley, but to no avail. I am unable to get to the rear of the pulley as there is a protecting flange preventing access.
The pulley has a keyway, but the key appears to be missing or imbedded deep into the slot.

Any thoughts or info would be appreciated.

Waggawill.

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Waggawill

11-15-2023 15:43:17




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 Re: MF135 Petrol in reply to Waggawill, 11-11-2023 19:04:14  
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Hey John,

Fantastic information, thank you so much. I did mark up the crank and will take much care to return it as found.

Nearly all of my parts purchases have been from Bundy Bear at Queenslandtractorspares their service has been excellent.

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John Deere D

11-15-2023 22:05:07




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 Re: MF135 Petrol in reply to Waggawill, 11-15-2023 15:43:17  
If you should ever remove the Engine HEAD...It my well look like this 4 cylinder STANDARD Petrol Engine. Shipped from England in the Harry Ferguson TEA-20's and other variants of the TEA-20's

There was a firm in Australia manufacturing a spin on OIL adapter for your Engine..
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Waggawill

11-16-2023 01:43:33




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 Re: MF135 Petrol in reply to John Deere D, 11-15-2023 22:05:07  
Nice Work Bob.

My apologies for calling you John.

Makes mine look a little sad, But I am restoring as I go.2

Having Fun and learning a lot.

Cheers Bill



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Waggawill

11-13-2023 23:06:19




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 Re: MF135 Petrol in reply to Waggawill, 11-11-2023 19:04:14  
Thanks John, I have looked them up and have the contact information stored. Interesting they never showed up in any searches I have done online.
Appreciate the info.

Regards Waggawill



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Waggawill

11-13-2023 22:50:24




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 Re: MF135 Petrol in reply to Waggawill, 11-11-2023 19:04:14  
Hi Gents

Thank you all for your comments, I did send some photo's did they arrive??? Should they show up in this feed.

I have finally removed the ornery pulley with the help of a well placed crow bar.

So I will attempt again to supply a photo with the pulley and timing cover removed.

If the photo turns up you will see the timing chain as mentioned.

So all is well a new chain is on its way along with some other bits and pieces. Thank you all again. cheers til next time. regards Waggawill

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John Deere D

11-15-2023 07:59:11




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 Re: MF135 Petrol in reply to Waggawill, 11-13-2023 22:50:24  
Info from one of the four TEA-20 with the English STANRARD Petrol Engine I own:

The Governor weights were ready to fall off/detach from the holding pins. Chain, Sprockets, Governor ,Gaskets, Front oil seal were replaced at sometime in 1967> 1969 when a MAJOR was done to the ENGINE. I rotated the crankshaft CW/CCW and noticed 4 TEETH on the FLYWHEEL had to move before the DISTRIBUTOR ROTOR would move. Now only one tooth on the flywheel will pass before the Rotor moves. The governor was sticking at full throttle and would not idle down.

Info I compiled when REPLACING Crank sprocket ,Cam sprocket and Timing Chain.
(1) 85 MM Bore Engine:

(2) Front Lip Oil Seal National /Federal Mogul Lip Seal # 472164V A SMALL amount of BLUE Silicone was placed around the inside bore of the front timing chain cover before Lip seal was installed:

(3) I installed a repair SLEEVE on the front drive Pulley, make DURA SLEEVE # 99175. The sealing area were the LIP SEAL makes contact was slightly grooved. Dura Sleeve specs. 1.745>1.753 Diam. # 68 Rockwell Hardness:

(4) On installation the Governor plunger shall be re-seated tight against the Flyweights and no weights shall be loose or hanging down:

(5) A small amount (only enough to make the surface shiny) of engine oil was added to the shaft of the governor PLUNGER as well as the timing chain:

(6)There are NO timing Marks on the NEW Sprockets. You may wish to line the timing marks up (facing each other) before you remove the sprockets:

(7)Place the old sprocket (CAM SPROCKET) on top of the new sprockets and accurately scribe the new sprockets as to the timing marks. There are FOUR hols in the hub of the CAM SPROCKET. Keeping turning the old sprocket until the four hols and all teeth line up. These hols are slightly off set. I used several SHOULDERED cap screws to ensure I had the new and old sprockets properly aligned. You may have to flip the old sprocket over...see right up:

( It's good practice to measure the thickness of the hub of the old crankshaft sprocket and the new crankshaft sprocket as the teeth on the two sprockets should align for both proper operation and longevity.(there were shims between the old Crankshaft sprocket and the shoulder portion of the crankshaft):

Cheers
Bob...

As you seem to be deep into the Cam / crankshaft drive area ..... this is the one area that always suffers from PREVIOUS OWNER SYNDROME. That is this area is NEVER given the rightful attention. When the FLY weights fall off and become jammed the chain and sprockets ...this is a true pain in the ARSSSS.
If you install new Cam sprocket,Crank sprocket,Chain,be sure to check with straight edge that the Cam sprocket aligns with the Crank sprocket. There was original SHIMS place behind the Crankshaft sprocket as per required:.PREVIOUS OWNER SYNDROME.

Do a comprehensive inspection of these Governor Fly weights:

All the best..... these tractors are a beautiful machine...PREVIOUS OWNER SYNDROME....has cause a lot of problems:

Bob....Retired Power Engineer...Owner operator TEA-20's

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John Deere D

11-14-2023 21:02:12




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 Re: MF135 Petrol in reply to Waggawill, 11-13-2023 22:50:24  
FYI
1300 850 097 info@queenslandtractorspares.com.au

I'm not connected to this parts supplier...as I own a Ferguson with a STANDARD PETROL Engine I keep parts suppliers info..
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John Deere D

11-14-2023 20:46:53




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 Re: MF135 Petrol in reply to Waggawill, 11-13-2023 22:50:24  
FYI

Info I recorded when I replaced the Timing Chain / Sprockets on a English Standard Petrol Engine Installed in a Ferguson Model TEA-20.

Maybe of interest..

Bob..



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ET

11-13-2023 06:41:52




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 Re: MF135 Petrol in reply to Waggawill, 11-11-2023 19:04:14  
If the pulley is cast iron you can drill and tap 2 holes as close to the center hub as possible. Then use them to bolt the puller too. I just used this method on a continental engine in a MH22.



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ptfarmer

11-12-2023 23:54:56




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 Re: MF135 Petrol in reply to Waggawill, 11-11-2023 19:04:14  
Quote: CVPost-Waggawill (quoted from post at 19:02:32 11/12/23) Many thanks for the replies Gents, The tractor according to attached photo, was made in Coventry England.
The Engine is a 4 cyc petrol continental variant. Its not a Z-145 but is close. It does have a timing chain as I have viewed it from a previous inspection.

What I am unable to do is remove the crankshaft pulley. I am starting to believe that the key was misaligned when put back together (By Others) when last removed.

I have since had a conversation with a respected motor mechanic who has said that if the key has twisted or disfigured, and is now digging into the cam shaft, the
likely hood of removing the pulley with out destroying it and or damaging the crank shaft is at best a guess. I will see if I can procure a replacement pulley,
and if so the safest approach may be to gently cut the old one off..your thoughts.

Many thanks Waggawill



It's possible you have the Continental Z134 (slightly smaller bore/stroke than the Z145) which I can assure you that it does not use a timing chain.
This post was edited by ptfarmer on 11/13/2023 at 12:01 am.

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Waggawill

11-12-2023 18:02:32




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 Re: MF135 Petrol in reply to Waggawill, 11-11-2023 19:04:14  
Many thanks for the replies Gents, The tractor according to attached photo, was made in Coventry England.
The Engine is a 4 cyc petrol continental variant. Its not a Z-145 but is close. It does have a timing chain as I have viewed it from a previous inspection.

What I am unable to do is remove the crankshaft pulley. I am starting to believe that the key was misaligned when put back together (By Others) when last removed.

I have since had a conversation with a respected motor mechanic who has said that if the key has twisted or disfigured, and is now digging into the cam shaft, the likely hood of removing the pulley with out destroying it and or damaging the crank shaft is at best a guess. I will see if I can procure a replacement pulley, and if so the safest approach may be to gently cut the old one off..your thoughts.

Many thanks Waggawill

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John Deere D

11-13-2023 18:37:29




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 Re: MF135 Petrol in reply to Waggawill, 11-12-2023 18:02:32  
G.W. Tractors in Australia..
1-800-062-790

Not sure why you have not call these guys?



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John Deere D

11-13-2023 18:30:44




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 Re: MF135 Petrol in reply to Waggawill, 11-12-2023 18:02:32  
Australia, as well as many other Countries who are a MEMBER of the BRITISH COMMONWEALTH quite possibly received a MF with the STANDARD Engine.

AnySTANDARD Engines that I have seen have free standing WETPOWER Cylinders,(NOT Sleeved)as well as Timing Chain and Sprockets. The little sister to thre MF ,the TEA-20 also have the STANDARD Engines..

Bob..
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John Deere D

11-12-2023 06:59:45




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 Re: MF135 Petrol in reply to Waggawill, 11-11-2023 19:04:14  
Is the Engine in your Tractor made in England?

Is the engine a Standard....
What make is the engine in your Tractor?

Bob..



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Dieseltech

11-12-2023 11:23:20




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 Re: MF135 Petrol in reply to John Deere D, 11-12-2023 06:59:45  
I have a TO-35 with the Standard 23C diesel, it has a timing chain. As an OLD MF mechanic I've never seen the 23C in any 135, even the late 35 switched to the Perkins A3.152, I have one of them too with the Multi-Power transmission. The 135s I've worked on had the Continental gas four, Perkins AD3.152 diesel, or Perkins AG3.152 gas.



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Old Ford Mechanic

11-12-2023 04:04:14




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 Re: MF135 Petrol in reply to Waggawill, 11-11-2023 19:04:14  
You will need a bearing separator to get behind the pulley. You the attach a puller to the separator to remove the pulley. The pulley can be damaged by attaching the puller to the outer edge of the pulley There are several youtube videos that can help you.



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Old Ford Mechanic

11-12-2023 04:09:03




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 Re: MF135 Petrol in reply to Old Ford Mechanic, 11-12-2023 04:04:14  
And i also agree that you will not find a timing chain on your engine. It will have timing gears.



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Dieseltech

11-11-2023 19:17:07




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 Re: MF135 Petrol in reply to Waggawill, 11-11-2023 19:04:14  
Ive never seen any MF 135 gas or Diesel engine Ive had apart that had a timing chain, ALL used GEARS.



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