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jtxn

10-26-2023 13:53:21

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I just split my tractor today. A few years ago, I did the pan gasket. It's had a slow drip from the transmission since I got it, but I noticed recently a pretty steady drip of what looked like engine oil. So either the rear main, or the pain gasket has failed again.
Overall the split went pretty good without any help, aside from a broken fuel line.

I have questions about parts needed. I noticed several different clutch kits on this site. I counted 10 splines on both shafts coming out of the gearbox. The clutch looks like this one:

https://www.yesterdaystractors.com/Massey-Ferguson-135_Clutch-Kit-Dual-Coarse-Spline_12121400.html

However it says not for Deluxe models, and I think mine is Deluxe. It has 1964 stamped on the oil pan and the serial number is behind the air cleaner, so I think it's a first year US 135.

Is there something I can measure to make sure I order the right kit?

Parts I know I need so far:

new clutch kit
oem rear main rope seal
(2) seals for trans input shaft
paper gasket for trans input shaft
gasket between gearbox and rearend
gasket for break pedal mounts? 3 gaskets came out, not sure if these are required or not.
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This post was edited by jtxn on 10/26/2023 at 01:54 pm.

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John Deere D

12-02-2023 10:12:21

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to jtxn, 10-26-2023 13:53:21

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When you attached the clutch assembly to the flywheel,are you sure the PILOT entered the PILOT BEARING in the Crankshaft ?

Did you by chance try the PILOT BEARING for proper fit over the end of the PILOT SHAFT before assembly,as well as the Transmission input shaft?

Did you remove the compression cap screws that keep the assembly as one unit after you attached the clutch ASSEMBLY TO THE FLYWHEEL?

Sounds like it would be prudent to withdraw the Transmission from the engine and check to verify how deep the PILOT extends. Take something like a screwdriver and check the depth of the assembly, as well as the pilot bearing.? You should make 100 % sure the PILOT is all the way into the pilot Bearing. A small amount of lubrication to the Transmission input shaft is a good idea.

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jtxn

11-30-2023 13:24:20

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to jtxn, 10-26-2023 13:53:21

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I know this question has been asked before - and I've read nearly every thread on this topics.
I'm trying to join both castings, and can't get closer than 1.5". I put a couple of long guide *not tight all* bolts, one on each side, to keep it plumb. At one point I think I had the PTO shaft partially home, as I could move the rear PTO shaft with the engine flywheel.
What I've been doing:

Gear in 3 HIGH
PTO in ENGINE
My issue is I can't tell if it's even seated in the pilot bearing, or if the main plate/shaft is seated correctly, after turning the flywheel 1000 times.
Looking through the inspection plate, it looks like the PTO shaft as of right now, is .25" from the clutch pressure plate assembly. If it's that close, can I assume the pilot and main plate are seated correctly?
Further complicating this is I'm by myself and the rocking back and forth always moves something.

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jtxn

11-22-2023 12:17:38

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to jtxn, 10-26-2023 13:53:21

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Thanks Bob. I did not see the hex screws with all the greasy dirt.
New seal installed. Old one pictured below.

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John Deere D

11-22-2023 13:02:55

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to jtxn, 11-22-2023 12:17:38

Your welcome jtxn....:)

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jtxn

11-17-2023 14:48:43

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to jtxn, 10-26-2023 13:53:21

There doesn't seem to be enough room to get the bolts out of the rear main seal carrier. Is the flywheel housing removable? Does the oil pan have to come out?

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John Deere D

11-17-2023 21:55:25

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to jtxn, 11-17-2023 14:48:43

Remove all Cap Screws that attach adapter plate to aft of Engine Block..

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John Deere D

11-17-2023 21:40:51

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to jtxn, 11-17-2023 14:48:43

Remove all Cap screws that attach adapter plate to engine block...

Remove the AFT Engine adapter plate that Transmission attaches to..

Top TWO Cap Screws possible HEX HEAD CAP SCREWS?

Bob..
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jtxn

11-17-2023 10:33:51

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to jtxn, 10-26-2023 13:53:21

I received the seal from Canada today. Took about a week. I will install it and then figure out what to do with the clutch. I m hesitant to order the one from this site because it has 12 red springs.

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jtxn

11-10-2023 12:41:52

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to jtxn, 10-26-2023 13:53:21

Ok so I'm getting into the clutch. It is 10 spline. It has 12 yellow springs, perhaps original. The clutch disc and flywheel look good, maybe it was rebuilt sometime between now and 1964.
I'm looking at this complete kit from this site, but it has 12 red springs. It says it's for a 135, 150, or T035. Am I going to regret having 12 red springs coming from 12 yellow? Everything I've read said a 135 should have 6 red springs, not 12. Help.
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jtxn

11-10-2023 07:30:20

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to jtxn, 10-26-2023 13:53:21

I used an engine balancer off Amazon and my other tractor and was able to get it out together. I think the key here is putting the planetary extension shaft that goes towards the rear axle in the real axle housing before putting back together. I was trying to line both shafts up at the same time and it wouldn't work.
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This post was edited by jtxn on 11/10/2023 at 07:30 am.

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jtxn

11-07-2023 12:43:00

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to jtxn, 10-26-2023 13:53:21

I got the new seals and gaskets in. I'm having a heck of a time getting both shafts lined up from the gearbox into the rear end. Any tips, other than the obvious of making sure it's square?
I don't have a splitting stand or a chain hoist, so I've been using jacks, or the forks on my other tractor. The issue is the dip in the housing, I can't get the lower parts of the two halves flush at the same time as the top. We even got a few bolts in, but then both shafts were bound up.

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John Deere D

11-08-2023 07:38:27

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to jtxn, 11-07-2023 12:43:00

When I split my MF to do the Transs input seals,I attached as per pictures.

As the two halves approached each other I had a helper turn the PTO out put shaft .

Also had the stater removed,and with a pry bar turned the engine over with the Transmission in gear..
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ASEguy

10-30-2023 05:23:42

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to jtxn, 10-26-2023 13:53:21

When I looked up parts for mine, I made mistakes. I ordered the service manual and the parts manual. I stuck to the part numbers when I looked up parts and verified measurements with mine (diameters and number of teeth). I did mine first thing in the morning with no one up and a fresh pot of coffee.

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jtxn

10-28-2023 19:41:43

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to jtxn, 10-26-2023 13:53:21

This post was edited by jtxn on 10/28/2023 at 07:42 pm.

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John Deere D

11-03-2023 22:20:28

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to jtxn, 10-28-2023 19:41:43

When I replaced the input shaft OIL SEALS...I checked the planetary THRUST washers. They were bad!
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jtxn

10-28-2023 19:40:24

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to jtxn, 10-26-2023 13:53:21

I removed the input shaft tonight. One snap ring did go flying across my shop but other than that it was pretty easy. The shaft did have to slide back a good amount, however I did notice it was threaded in the middle of the shaft, probably for an old MF tool that no longer exists.

A couple of the housing bolts were not even hand tight, and the seals are cracked. I think this is the source of at least one of my leaks, the other being the rear main, still looking for that lip seal conversion kit in the US.
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This post was edited by jtxn on 10/28/2023 at 07:41 pm.

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John Deere D

10-30-2023 06:31:54

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to jtxn, 10-28-2023 19:40:24

With the exchange rate on the Canada /USA dollar.....

The cost to you shall be very reasonable.

The seal is available through a wholesaler in Ontario. KH Supply carry's the brand Quality Tractor Parts from Ireland. They supply several retailers in Canada. Link

The>Link part number for the modified lip seal is 64965

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John Deere D

10-30-2023 06:39:13

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to John Deere D, 10-30-2023 06:31:54

I sent you the name of the company that carries the seal,HOWEVER,YT Tractors will not allow the suppliers website address to be posted..??

The seal is available through a wholesaler in Ontario. KH Supply carry's the brand Quality Tractor Parts from Ireland. They supply several retailers in Canada.

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The part number for the modified lip seal is 64965
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jtxn

10-27-2023 12:38:20

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to jtxn, 10-26-2023 13:53:21

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I don't see an email button for you, but I do for Bob. I tried to PM you but that didn't work either.

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hymie2lt

10-27-2023 13:53:55

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to jtxn, 10-27-2023 12:38:20

Are you on modern view. E-mail only shows on Classic view. Wayne

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jtxn

10-27-2023 08:57:30

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to jtxn, 10-26-2023 13:53:21

It's a six speed dual clutch. 10 spline, not sure what kit to order.

I've read many threads on this issue and watched the bundy bears shed series on youtube. It seems there is conflicting information on whether the shaft will pull forward or not. Either way I already removed the transmission from the rear end, at least I can change the hydraulic filter while it's open.

I'm trying to find one of those rope to lip seal replacement kits out from quality tractor parts out of Ireland, but haven't found a US source yet.

Another question - any tips on making a new fuel line from lift pump to the first filter? Can I reuse the ends? The line twisted and broke when I removed it for splitting.
This post was edited by jtxn on 10/27/2023 at 08:58 am.

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hymie2lt

10-27-2023 10:37:46

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to jtxn, 10-27-2023 08:57:30

Can I get you to reply to my E-mail, at the bottom right of this post where it says send E-mail. I need some more info from you. I think I may have or can get the parts you need. But there are so many variants of the Massey 135, we need to know exactly which one you have. Wayne

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Bob N.Y.

10-27-2023 08:26:30

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to jtxn, 10-26-2023 13:53:21

I replaced the transmission input shaft seals in a Massey 35 Deluxe a few months ago. The lower shaft has to be removed to allow the pto drive gear to drop down before the upper shaft can be pulled out the front. After you remove the cover and bearing on the lower shaft, you should find a thrust washer and a snap ring. That snap ring gave me a lot of grief! You will need some heavy duty snap ring pliers to remove it. The light duty type won't do it. Once that snap ring was out of the way, the lower shaft slid out the front with ease letting the pto drive gear drop down and then the upper shaft came out. There is no need to split the tractor behind the transmission or to remove the steering box for this repair.

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jtxn

10-27-2023 06:07:26

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to jtxn, 10-26-2023 13:53:21

[quote="CVPost-John Deere D"](quoted from post at 20:32:32 10/26/23) My I ask,have you ever dismantled a MF Transmission as per the one you have posted?

No I have not. I do have a service manual. I'm not dismantling the transmission, I'm removing the input shaft to replace the seals.

Serial # SDM 641005284
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hymie2lt

10-27-2023 07:36:34

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to jtxn, 10-27-2023 06:07:26

Do you have the six, eight speed or multi-power transmission?

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John Deere D

10-26-2023 20:32:32

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to jtxn, 10-26-2023 13:53:21

My I ask,have you ever dismantled a MF Transmission as per the one you have posted?

I'm very fortunate to have purchased this Service Manual before I ever started to dismantle a MF 6 speed with no Multi power.

$$$$$$s well invested...

Bob...
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hymie2lt

10-26-2023 16:41:37

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Re: 135 Clutch parts in reply to jtxn, 10-26-2023 13:53:21

Do you happen to have the serial number of your tractor? Wayne

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