What model MF Loader Backhoe is this Please

Old_Man · Oct 3, 2019

Hi Everyone

Would love some help to work out what model this is. No plates on tractor. I was told it is a 1982 model, previous owner had no idea what model either.

Found this Number on side of Transmission 897-719-M1

Any help would be great, found a few models that look similar but the air cleaner and headlights would be in the wrong spot. Headlights are on the very top part of the grill.Many Thanks in advance.

Jackangel · Oct 3, 2019

hi,

any pics of the engine?

Brown Swiss · Oct 3, 2019

Any tags on the hoe or loader? I have not
been around mf industrial equipment much
but it looks like a 40 but don't hold
your breath on that. Mf was a major plyer
back in the day with industrial
equipment, so lots of different models.

Old_Man · Oct 3, 2019

Many thanks for your reply.You are right I have found a few models like the 40 that look similar. The main difference is on mine the air cleaner goes thru the actual top part of the battery cover on top of the hood and my headlights are at the very top of the grill on the front. I am not sure if that alone makes it one model or another. I will try and take photos of those differences today. There are no plates at all on the machine bar one on the back of the right wheel arch, but it has completely faded as it is not stamped and I am assuming it was just printed.

Until yesterday I did not even know MF came in this yellow Hehehehe

Old_Man · Oct 3, 2019

Hi Jackangel thanks for your reply, I will get some better ones today and post them.

Old_Man · Oct 3, 2019

I found a tag, under the backhoe arm when it was extended said Model MF 40 Serial 1640. On the side of the engine it also had what looked like a plate GKN 1842. So I am guessing that the reason the Air cleaner and the lights are in different spots could be the year of manufacture. Was unable to get a good photo of engine as needs to be cleaned, covered in years of gunk.

Brown Swiss · Oct 7, 2019

Lots of mf was painted yellow, they made excavators, dozers, industrial tractors, skidders, skid steers, and a list of many more things. Look them up some time.

Old_Man · Jun 25, 2020

LOL Yea I found that out, lots of models

ptfarmer · Jun 25, 2020

No MF40 backhoe in the U.S. parts book, are you in the UK. Any pictures of the grill, front axle, engine, rear end, the more pictures the better.

ptfarmer · Jun 25, 2020

The tractor, loader, and back hoe should all have different model/serial number tags on them. The tractor maybe a model 40, the loader could be a model 32, and the back hoe could be a model 52.

Old_Man · Jun 25, 2020

Thanks mate, I am in Australia. I will get some photos tomorrow of what you suggest.

Many Thanks

ptfarmer · Jun 26, 2020

Pictures of any tags with serial numbers should help as well.

Old_Man · Jun 26, 2020

Thanks ptfarmer much appreciated, I took some quick photos as I went to feed the cows.

Only two tags on the tractor, one which you cant read anything on and the second is on the backhoe, I have attached a photo that one reads MF40.

Many Thanks

ptfarmer · Jun 26, 2020

Never seen here (not available in the U.S.) looks like it's a MF40R backhoe. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M53adlck5Q

ptfarmer · Jun 26, 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isYx-l5agLA

Old_Man · Jun 26, 2020

Thanks Mate. Best I could find would be be the MF40 range. I bought the MF40 Manuals & from what I have seen it matches most of the tractor, just not the loader or backhoe.

Interestingly the manufacturing plate on the backhoe says "Made In Australia" So not sure if it was a special model just put together here, I know John Deere did that with the 2010 Industrial, used a lot of left over parts to make it.

Either way many thanks for your help.

Not sure if you can help but I have an issue with how the Power Steering on the MF40 works? I had the cylinder repaired, no leaks so all should be good. What I noticed when the steering wheel was turned, that the right hand cylinder pushed out & would not retract. Turning steering other way, the left hand cylinder retracted but would not extend. Is this the way it is designed or did someone put the hoses around the wrong way. I checked in the manuals & can not determine if they push out or retract or both or either.

Many Thanks

Jim.ME · Jun 26, 2020

(quoted from post at 17:24:08 06/26/20) Thanks Mate. Best I could find would be be the MF40 range. I bought the MF40 Manuals & from what I have seen it matches most of the tractor, just not the loader or backhoe.

Interestingly the manufacturing plate on the backhoe says "Made In Australia" So not sure if it was a special model just put together here, I know John Deere did that with the 2010 Industrial, used a lot of left over parts to make it.

Either way many thanks for your help.

Not sure if you can help but I have an issue with how the Power Steering on the MF40 works? I had the cylinder repaired, no leaks so all should be good. What I noticed when the steering wheel was turned, that the right hand cylinder pushed out & would not retract. Turning steering other way, the left hand cylinder retracted but would not extend. Is this the way it is designed or did someone put the hoses around the wrong way. I checked in the manuals & can not determine if they push out or retract or both or either.

Many Thanks

Assuming it has double acting cylinders, as it appears in one of your pictures, pressurized oil should go to the rod end of the left cylinder (retracts) and the piston end of the right cylinder (extends) for a left turn. During a right turn pressurized oil goes to the rod end of the right cylinder (retracts) and the piston end of the left cylinder (extends). Start by chasing out the hoses to see if this is how they are hooked up. One tube should come from the steering valve and a tee splits the line to go to each cylinder for left and the same for right.

Old_Man · Jun 26, 2020

Hi Jim.Me, thanks for that.

I just had the one cylinder repaired so hopefully that should be 100% working.

I disconnected each cylinder off the axle so I could see what the rod does. What I noticed that each cylinder only works in one direction. When I turn towards the right, the right hand cylinder extends the rod & the left hand cylinder does nothing. When I turn the steering towards the left, the left hand cylinder actually retracts the rod & the right hand cylinder does nothing.

The left hand cylinder appears to be a different model to the right, so I am assuming that it has been replaced at some time and possibly that the lines were switched around, as I assumed that both cylinders would work by alternately pushing the rod when turned.

From what I can tell I think these cylinders are only single acting, i.e. either they can push rod or pull it in. What I need to work out is should one push, whilst the other one pulls.

I attached a clearer shot of the repaired one.

Jim.ME · Jun 26, 2020

Two hoses going to a cylinder usually indicates a double acting cylinder. Double acting cylinders can push and pull depending which end gets pressurized oil. Do both cylinders have two hoses? If plumbed and working properly, they will work opposite each other when the steering wheel is turned. Are the cylinders mounted behind the axle? If so, I would expect the right one to retract and the left one to extend when turning to the right, the opposite when turning to the left. Whoever rebuilt your cylinder should be able to tell you if it is single or double acting. I am thinking you have a crossed hose(s).

ptfarmer · Jun 26, 2020

(quoted from post at 16:32:35 06/26/20) Hi Jim.Me, thanks for that.

I just had the one cylinder repaired so hopefully that should be 100% working.

I disconnected each cylinder off the axle so I could see what the rod does. What I noticed that each cylinder only works in one direction. When I turn towards the right, the right hand cylinder extends the rod & the left hand cylinder does nothing. When I turn the steering towards the left, the left hand cylinder actually retracts the rod & the right hand cylinder does nothing.

The left hand cylinder appears to be a different model to the right, so I am assuming that it has been replaced at some time and possibly that the lines were switched around, as I assumed that both cylinders would work by alternately pushing the rod when turned.

From what I can tell I think these cylinders are only single acting, i.e. either they can push rod or pull it in. What I need to work out is should one push, whilst the other one pulls.

I attached a clearer shot of the repaired one.

Those are double acting cylinders.

Old_Man · Jun 26, 2020

Thanks Jim.Me

Yes both cylinders have two hoses.

Cylinders are behind the axle, in the picture the front of the tractor is towards the right.

When I turned towards the right, the right hand cylinder extended, when I turned left the left one retracted.

From what you are saying each cylinder can either extend or retract depending on where the lines are attached.

I disconnected one end from each cylinder off the axle to see what it does, when turning right, right cylinder will extend, but left cylinder will do nothing, when turning left, the left cylinder retracts & right cylinder does nothing.

It is easy enough to switch lines, the question being do I need one to extend and the other to retract? or do I have both extending?

Thanks

Old_Man · Jun 26, 2020

Thanks ptfarmer.

Just to clarify, they are double acting, depending on which way the lines are connected. i.e not double acting at same time?

Thanks

Jim.ME · Jun 26, 2020

Double acting = they are capable of pushing and pulling as controlled by the valve. (Single acting normally only pushes.) Your cylinders can be powered in either direction depending on which side of the piston the pressure is applied to. Since your left cylinder sounds like it is trying to move correctly for a left turn and the right one is going the wrong way for a right turn; just try swapping the hoses where they connect on the right side cylinder only and see what happens. Sometimes it helps if you can lift the front tires off the ground to cycle it a few times, given you have had it apart. Be sure you add oil to the system if needed.

ptfarmer · Jun 26, 2020

One cylinder should extend, and the other should retract (they shouldn't extend ,or contract both at the same time). I did some more looking and it appears the MF40R as I seen it called is a MF model 40 tractor, with a MF model 220 backhoe. The model of the front end loader I'm still trying to figure out.

Old_Man · Jun 27, 2020

Thanks Mate, I double checked & the RHS Extends & LHS retracts, so it appears that it is setup correctly.

I think you are correct about the Backhoe, it looks like the same model as mine, again many thanks for your help with identifying that.

Many Regards

Old_Man · Jun 27, 2020

Thanks Jim.Me I lifted the tractor using loader & filled with fluid a few times, from what I have read it appears this has to be done quiet a few times, back & forwards, so I will retry tomorrow seeing I now know which way the cylinders should work. Again Many thanks.

Old_Man · Jun 27, 2020

Hi Jim.ME

On another point I found a post where you provided info on the 220 to another person he had issues with the spools. "[i:a23c21b3a1]You can find your hoe in the AGCO parts books on line. Click on View Books in the guest user area to get to the book search page. enter 220 in the search box and check Massey Ferguson to eliminate a bunch of other brand's books. Scroll down the list and you will find it.
https://na.apb.agcocorp.com[/i:a23c21b3a1]"[b:a23c21b3a1]

I checked that site, is that still avail as I get nothing when I click on the link. I was looking at how the stabilizers are removed & thought parts would give me an idea.

I already bought both parts & operator manual for the MF 40 but as I now know Jensales model is not the same as mine.

Thanks[/b:a23c21b3a1]

Jim.ME · Jun 27, 2020

The AGCO parts book site is still there, here is the link: https://apb.agcocorp.com/

The publications site is still good as well here is that link: http://www.agcopubs.com/

I can not tell you if those links will work for you, they might not be accessible from all geographic areas. If they don't you may need to find an AGCO dealer to see if there are links for your area.

To make it turn you need one cylinder to retract at the same time the other cylinder extends. The cylinders need to move in opposite directions to turn the front wheels. The side you are turning to retracts. Example, to turn left the left cylinder must retract and the right extend.

Double acting means they can be powered in both directions, as directed by a valve. Not they can move both directions at the same time. To extend the rod, pressurized oil is sent to the piston (base of cylinder barrel) end and any oil in the rod end of the barrel returns to the reservoir as the piston moves inside the barrel. To retract the rod, pressurized oil is sent to the rod end of the piston and any oil in the piston (base of cylinder barrel) end of the cylinder returns to the reservoir as the piston moves inside the barrel.

ptfarmer · Jun 27, 2020

(quoted from post at 04:44:31 06/27/20)
The AGCO parts book site is still there, here is the link: https://apb.agcocorp.com/

The publications site is still good as well here is that link: http://www.agcopubs.com/

I can not tell you if those links will work for you, they might not be accessible from all geographic areas. If they don't you may need to find an AGCO dealer to see if there are links for your area.

To make it turn you need one cylinder to retract at the same time the other cylinder extends. The cylinders need to move in opposite directions to turn the front wheels. The side you are turning to retracts. Example, to turn left the left cylinder must retract and the right extend.

Double acting means they can be powered in both directions, as directed by a valve. Not they can move both directions at the same time. To extend the rod, pressurized oil is sent to the piston (base of cylinder barrel) end and any oil in the rod end of the barrel returns to the reservoir as the piston moves inside the barrel. To retract the rod, pressurized oil is sent to the rod end of the piston and any oil in the piston (base of cylinder barrel) end of the cylinder returns to the reservoir as the piston moves inside the barrel.

He's in Australia so the online parts book won't work for him. He has to get a user name, and password from an AGCO dealer so he can see it. Seems kind of dumb they do it that way outside of North America.

Jim.ME · Jun 27, 2020

He's in Australia so the online parts book won't work for him. He has to get a user name, and password from an AGCO dealer so he can see it. Seems kind of dumb they do it that way outside of North America.

Thanks, I caught he is in Australia, that's why I mentioned the link might not work for him and if it didn't, he would need to find a dealer to get further info on links.

Old_Man · Jun 29, 2020

Thanks Jim.Me

I got the site to let me when I used my VPN, they obviously lock it outside the U.S. It works great great.

mecheng87 · Jun 30, 2020

Old_Man you should try to get the permissions to use the Australian AGCO parts book site as the Australia version of the MF 40 is different from the North American one. If you look for a thread on this site by Burgs he has the same unit as you and is also in Australia so he might be able to help with the owners manual and parts manual. He recently replaced the seals in his backhoe swing cylinder.

Old_Man · Jun 30, 2020

(quoted from post at 17:25:49 06/30/20) Old_Man you should try to get the permissions to use the Australian AGCO parts book site as the Australia version of the MF 40 is different from the North American one. If you look for a thread on this site by Burgs he has the same unit as you and is also in Australia so he might be able to help with the owners manual and parts manual. He recently replaced the seals in his backhoe swing cylinder.

Hi mecheng87, thanks for that. I did actually try that a few months back but never received a reply from the Australian dealers. I might give it another go seeing I need to order some parts anyway.

Many Thanks

495man · Jul 2, 2020

Tractor part appears to be based on an MF 240.

Old_Man · Jul 3, 2020

Thanks 495man, do you mean the actual tractor itself? From what I have found & what others have told me it appears to be a MF40, just don't know what the Loader itself is yet LOL.

Again many thanks

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