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BIG1RED9

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I pulled the stud from the pump. Hard parts individually less the spring and assembled with with the 1.6" high filter. Filter is about 1/2" short or shaft is 1/2" long

Does this help make clear the issue? any ideas?


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I just came back from a tractor shop. Not a dealer, but they have access to the same parts. He says, based on the part number its the right filter and to find a taller one without a part number isn't realistic.

So I can move forward, I bought a washer that is close to the shaft size. I am going to use that first, then an o-ring, then the filter, then the machined part with the spring on top and not use the cup.
 
(quoted from post at 00:58:55 12/07/18)
1023057M1 is the taller filter.

For the taller pump is what I meant to add. Hate that this forum won’t let us edit our own posts...
 

PT that certainly makes more sense. Given mine is a MHF and the serial number is before the year was tracked, it is logical that the pump would be an early one. The early one is suppose to be a taller reservoir. To my eyes my reservoir seemed wider than tall. I should have taken and posted its dimensions, which I will. Someone must of tried to use the cap from a later model which is what I zeroed in on.

Thank you,
Don
 

Shaeff that makes more sense. To my eyes the reservoir was wider and when I called and talked with Yesterday, they said there is no taller filter. So it fed my confusion.

I am going to shift and start getting my parts from the shop I can walk into and discuss what I am working on, They restore tractors and have experience. Tired of being told we only sell parts and know nothing. It burns up a lot of time.
 
(quoted from post at 06:14:52 12/07/18)
Shaeff that makes more sense. To my eyes the reservoir was wider and when I called and talked with Yesterday, they said there is no taller filter. So it fed my confusion.

I am going to shift and start getting my parts from the shop I can walk into and discuss what I am working on, They restore tractors and have experience. Tired of being told we only sell parts and know nothing. It burns up a lot of time.

Forgot to thank you for taking the time to help! - and could not edit the post

Don
 
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(quoted from post at 06:14:52 12/07/18)
Shaeff that makes more sense. To my eyes the reservoir was wider and when I called and talked with Yesterday, they said there is no taller filter. So it fed my confusion.

I am going to shift and start getting my parts from the shop I can walk into and discuss what I am working on, They restore tractors and have experience. Tired of being told we only sell parts and know nothing. It burns up a lot of time.

Forgot to thank you for taking the time to help! - and could not edit the post

Don

There are two types of pumps, the Barnes pump and the Cessna pump. It looks like you have a Barnes shorter, wider filter in a Cessna pump

The Cessna pump has a taller, narrower reservoir.

The Barnes pump has a shorter, wider reservoir

Does your reservoir anything like Fill Line embossed on the reservoir?.

My Cessna pump has "Cessna" stamped right on the pump.
 
Forgot to thank you for taking the time to help! - and could not edit the post

Don
You’re very welcome! :) Good luck with it, lots of parts places don’t really care much about what they sell. A repair shop will be of more help for sure.
 

Not that I can see. I will take the measurements of the reservoir and take some pictures and share that info. To me it looks like it is wider than it is tall. and the machined metal part is not in the Cessna parts schematic. I am guessing over the years its a combination of pump parts. For now I am comfortable with my work-a-round. Fluid will go through the filter and I can see the port in the bottom of the reservoir.

How is your steering surgery going?

I sent back my new shaft and will be going the sleeve route.

Don
 
(quoted from post at 22:33:12 12/07/18)
Not that I can see. I will take the measurements of the reservoir and take some pictures and share that info. To me it looks like it is wider than it is tall. and the machined metal part is not in the Cessna parts schematic. I am guessing over the years its a combination of pump parts. For now I am comfortable with my work-a-round. Fluid will go through the filter and I can see the port in the bottom of the reservoir.

How is your steering surgery going?

I sent back my new shaft and will be going the sleeve route.

Don

I finally got everything I needed to put mine back together. I'll probably do it tomorrow. I just wanted to be sure the rain was over.
 

In case you have not noticed.

When you turn the steering wheel right and then left, the shaft lowers and raises. I am going to triple check mine, but I believe the total shaft movement is about .125

So my calcs ....if I am correct

Working area of the sleeve is .331
Center of the sleeve is .1655
Shaft movement up .0625
Shaft movement down .0625

Perfect placement would have the the pressure lip of the seal center with the sleeve when the shaft is neither raised up or down.

It would be nice if the sleeves were an inch wide. I feel a headache coming.

Don
 
(quoted from post at 08:06:40 12/08/18)
In case you have not noticed.

When you turn the steering wheel right and then left, the shaft lowers and raises. I am going to triple check mine, but I believe the total shaft movement is about .125

So my calcs ....if I am correct

Working area of the sleeve is .331
Center of the sleeve is .1655
Shaft movement up .0625
Shaft movement down .0625

Perfect placement would have the the pressure lip of the seal center with the sleeve when the shaft is neither raised up or down.

It would be nice if the sleeves were an inch wide. I feel a headache coming.

Don

Don, I just went to install the speedi sleeve on my shaft and it just fell right down to the bottom. I had to tap the other one on with a plastic mallet. It's no good loose like this.

If you haven't installed your sleeve yet, could you please measure it? My sleeve measures .875" My shaft measures .873".

Thanks Cary
 

Hi Cary,

I am sorry I did not write down the measurements and mine is installed with JB Weld. My outside sleeve measurement .90 to .91

Don
 
From the SKF product brochure.... Which is why I used JB Weld
Don

"Installing SKF Speedi-Sleeve
All SKF Speedi-Sleeve designs are installed the
same way. Although installation is simple,
it should be done carefully to achieve the best
results. As the thin-walled sleeve has an interference
fit, any disturbances on the shaft surface
may create a similar pattern on the sleeve
surface and cause the seal to leak. Therefore,
the seal counterface surface of the shaft should
be carefully cleaned and any burrs or rough
spots filed down prior to installation. Deep wear
grooves, scratches or very rough surfaces
should be treated with a suitable powdered
metal epoxy-type filler. The sleeve must be
positioned on the shaft before the filler has
hardened. "
 
(quoted from post at 08:32:39 12/09/18) From the SKF product brochure.... Which is why I used JB Weld
Don

"Installing SKF Speedi-Sleeve
All SKF Speedi-Sleeve designs are installed the
same way. Although installation is simple,
it should be done carefully to achieve the best
results. As the thin-walled sleeve has an interference
fit, any disturbances on the shaft surface
may create a similar pattern on the sleeve
surface and cause the seal to leak. Therefore,
the seal counterface surface of the shaft should
be carefully cleaned and any burrs or rough
spots filed down prior to installation. Deep wear
grooves, scratches or very rough surfaces
should be treated with a suitable powdered
metal epoxy-type filler. The sleeve must be
positioned on the shaft before the filler has
hardened. "

That makes me wonder about the consistency of sizes on those sleeves. As I said my old one needed to be tapped on with a mallet and it needed to be cut to get it off. The new one is just loose on the shaft.

You'd better hope you got the old one exactly in the right place otherwise how would you get it off? I found another sleeve on Ebay and ordered it. I'll let you know what it measures when I receive it.
 
I am hopeful. I took my time. If mine doesn't work as planned it is going to a machinist and so the epoxy will not matter.

You can get a hold of SKF support they are really pleasant and helpful. There is a size smaller available for shafts .861 to .865

From the research I have done National and SKF have the same parts - even the same part numbers.
 
(quoted from post at 11:37:39 12/09/18) I am hopeful. I took my time. If mine doesn't work as planned it is going to a machinist and so the epoxy will not matter.

You can get a hold of SKF support they are really pleasant and helpful. There is a size smaller available for shafts .861 to .865

From the research I have done National and SKF have the same parts - even the same part numbers.

But I'm wondering if you could get an .865" sleeve on an .873 shaft without screwing it up?

The shaft where the seal rides is larger than the rest of the shaft. There is a shoulder just above the seal where the shaft narrows. Could you tell me where you put your seal in relation to that shoulder? You see the shoulder I'm talking about in this picture.

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My pump reservoir is about 3" high and 5" wide. It would help me to confirm that the pressure port is on the bottom and the return on the side.

I measured the lip of the seal to be at the straight / flare joint on the cover assembly. Again, I did not use the seal called for. I went with the narrower seal because the sleeve is so narrow, it is higher pressure at 50psi and has a double lip.

I pushed my sleeve down as far as i would go.
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It looks like you have the sleeve in the same place my first one was and remember mine started leaking again.

The reservoir on my Cessna pump is 4" high and 4 7/8" wide.

The bottom connection is marked "OUT" right on the pump.

Who did you get the seal from and do you have the part number for it?

So, judging by the reservoir size it looks like you have a Barnes pump.

When do you hope to have it back together and running. I'm anxious to here how it goes?

I also had a Barnes pump on mine before I fixed the seal in the Cessna pump. On the Barnes pump, the reservoir is so close to the distributor that it is a pain to put it in. Some have even suggested removing the distributor to get it out of the way.

But I discovered the easy way to get that Barnes pump back in there. Hold the pump so the top or the reservoir is facing you. In other words it's 90 degrees to the left. Then put it in that way and get the gear engaged and just turn the pump so the reservoir is facing up the right way. It's very simple.

If you have the Barnes pump the hoses will connect the same way with "OUT" on the bottom.
 
(quoted from post at 15:38:25 12/09/18)
It looks like you have the sleeve in the same place my first one was and remember mine started leaking again.

The reservoir on my Cessna pump is 4" high and 4 7/8" wide.

The bottom connection is marked "OUT" right on the pump.

Who did you get the seal from and do you have the part number for it?

So, judging by the reservoir size it looks like you have a Barnes pump.

When do you hope to have it back together and running. I'm anxious to here how it goes?

I also had a Barnes pump on mine before I fixed the seal in the Cessna pump. On the Barnes pump, the reservoir is so close to the distributor that it is a pain to put it in. Some have even suggested removing the distributor to get it out of the way.

But I discovered the easy way to get that Barnes pump back in there. Hold the pump so the top or the reservoir is facing you. In other words it's 90 degrees to the left. Then put it in that way and get the gear engaged and just turn the pump so the reservoir is facing up the right way. It's very simple.

If you have the Barnes pump the hoses will connect the same way with "OUT" on the bottom.

I do remember your pain. Part of the equation is how deeply seated is the seal. The .25 lip will be higher up than the stock spec.

The part number is 8660. I bought an NAPA made by SKF. I will guess that all makers use the same number. This seal is exposed metal and I used black gasket maker when setting it. It went in firmly but seated better than the rubber skinned seal.

My pump reservoir has a slight dent at the distributor. I do not see any stamping for in, out or pump brand. Just a cast number that I can barely read.

I am pretty close. I need to adjust the pitman gears, connect the hydraulic lines, set the throttle and the governor, mount the gas tank and install the battery. A look over to double check all the areas I have been working on. I am thinking tomorrow!

It will make me smile to have the brakes, power steering and rear hydraulics working, they never have. Hoping its going to be quieter too as I did the manifold gaskets and exhaust.
 

Thanks for all your info and I wish you the best of luck with it.

Since I don't the 202 running yet, I may have to take the mower deck off my 8N and put the new landscape rake on it. My property is starting to show that green tinge already. I'm hoping the landscape rake will up root them and stop the growth.
 
(quoted from post at 17:25:15 12/09/18)
Thanks for all your info and I wish you the best of luck with it.

Since I don't the 202 running yet, I may have to take the mower deck off my 8N and put the new landscape rake on it. My property is starting to show that green tinge already. I'm hoping the landscape rake will up root them and stop the growth.

Your welcome and thank you.

I am in Central Ca and we are getting green fuzz
 
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(quoted from post at 17:25:15 12/09/18)
Thanks for all your info and I wish you the best of luck with it.

Since I don't the 202 running yet, I may have to take the mower deck off my 8N and put the new landscape rake on it. My property is starting to show that green tinge already. I'm hoping the landscape rake will up root them and stop the growth.

Your welcome and thank you.

I am in Central Ca and we are getting green fuzz

bigred,

I can't seem to find a place to order a speedi sleeve. I found the size chart but I'll be darned if I can find where to order one. Do you know where to order one?
 

BigRed,

I found a place to order, it was Grainger.com.

I ordered the smaller sleeve 99085. That is .861 - .866. I'll give it a try and see if I can get it on the shaft without screwing it up since it's going to be a real tight fit. Problem is they can't ship until Dec.27. Oh well, I guess I can wait. I hope your job is going OK.
 

All done.... BUT #1 I had a hell of a time with the governor adjustment. First someone flipped over the part that has the u-bolt so that the arm was on the left AND there is no place on the front side of the filler neck to hook up the spring. There is a hole on the backside and now after having installed it am wondering if the older ones had a different setup that the manuals don't address

BUT #2

All I am getting is what I think is a solenoid click - Starter isn't engaging. Taking a lunch break and will see if i am getting 12V when I hit the starter button.

Don
 


Hi Cary,
Hope it works for you. It is not recommended - but I read that some people heat them up to slip on. They use an oven or really hot water. to prevent them from splitting.

Looks like your Ford is going to go to work.
Don
 
(quoted from post at 15:15:08 12/10/18)

Hi Cary,
Hope it works for you. It is not recommended - but I read that some people heat them up to slip on. They use an oven or really hot water. to prevent them from splitting.

Looks like your Ford is going to go to work.
Don

Yeah...seems like I can always depend on the 8N.
 
(quoted from post at 15:11:15 12/10/18)

All I am getting is what I think is a solenoid click - Starter isn't engaging. Taking a lunch break and will see if i am getting 12V when I hit the starter button.

Don

Power is passing through the solenoid.. So my guess is when I tightened the POS cable on the starter, something popped. The cable was loose and when tightening the stud rotated. I guess I pull it and open it and see what I broke.

Will it end........
 
Took apart the starter and found what I broke, fixed it and installed it.

As it relates to the topic of this thread. The way I installed the filter seems to be working. There are no leaks in the pump area.
 

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