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BIG1RED9

12-06-2018 08:27:05




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I pulled the stud from the pump. Hard parts individually less the spring and assembled with with the 1.6" high filter. Filter is about 1/2" short or shaft is 1/2" long

Does this help make clear the issue? any ideas?

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BIG1RED9

12-11-2018 10:41:58




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Took apart the starter and found what I broke, fixed it and installed it.

As it relates to the topic of this thread. The way I installed the filter seems to be working. There are no leaks in the pump area.



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BIG1RED9

12-10-2018 16:54:20




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Power is passing through the solenoid.. So my guess is when I tightened the POS cable on the starter, something popped. The cable was loose and when tightening the stud rotated. I guess I pull it and open it and see what I broke.

Will it end........



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Caryc

12-10-2018 14:17:24




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Yeah...seems like I can always depend on the 8N.



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BIG1RED9

12-10-2018 14:15:08




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 Re: Power steering pump pictures in reply to BIG1RED9, 12-06-2018 08:27:05  
Hi Cary,
Hope it works for you. It is not recommended - but I read that some people heat them up to slip on. They use an oven or really hot water. to prevent them from splitting.

Looks like your Ford is going to go to work.

Don



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BIG1RED9

12-10-2018 14:11:15




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 Re: Power steering pump pictures in reply to BIG1RED9, 12-06-2018 08:27:05  
All done.... BUT #1 I had a hell of a time with the governor adjustment. First someone flipped over the part that has the u-bolt so that the arm was on the left AND there is no place on the front side of the filler neck to hook up the spring. There is a hole on the backside and now after having installed it am wondering if the older ones had a different setup that the manuals don't address

BUT #2

All I am getting is what I think is a solenoid click - Starter isn't engaging. Taking a lunch break and will see if i am getting 12V when I hit the starter button.

Don

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Caryc

12-10-2018 13:54:05




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 Re: Power steering pump pictures in reply to BIG1RED9, 12-06-2018 08:27:05  
BigRed,

I found a place to order, it was Grainger.com.

I ordered the smaller sleeve 99085. That is .861 - .866. I'll give it a try and see if I can get it on the shaft without screwing it up since it's going to be a real tight fit. Problem is they can't ship until Dec.27. Oh well, I guess I can wait. I hope your job is going OK.



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Caryc

12-10-2018 13:18:56




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bigred,

I can't seem to find a place to order a speedi sleeve. I found the size chart but I'll be darned if I can find where to order one. Do you know where to order one?



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BIG1RED9

12-09-2018 19:10:02




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Your welcome and thank you.

I am in Central Ca and we are getting green fuzz



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Caryc

12-09-2018 16:25:15




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Thanks for all your info and I wish you the best of luck with it.
Since I don't the 202 running yet, I may have to take the mower deck off my 8N and put the new landscape rake on it. My property is starting to show that green tinge already. I'm hoping the landscape rake will up root them and stop the growth.



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BIG1RED9

12-09-2018 15:49:24




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I do remember your pain. Part of the equation is how deeply seated is the seal. The .25 lip will be higher up than the stock spec.

The part number is 8660. I bought an NAPA made by SKF. I will guess that all makers use the same number. This seal is exposed metal and I used black gasket maker when setting it. It went in firmly but seated better than the rubber skinned seal.

My pump reservoir has a slight dent at the distributor. I do not see any stamping for in, out or pump brand. Just a cast number that I can barely read.

I am pretty close. I need to adjust the pitman gears, connect the hydraulic lines, set the throttle and the governor, mount the gas tank and install the battery. A look over to double check all the areas I have been working on. I am thinking tomorrow!
It will make me smile to have the brakes, power steering and rear hydraulics working, they never have. Hoping its going to be quieter too as I did the manifold gaskets and exhaust.

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Caryc

12-09-2018 14:38:25




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 Re: Power steering pump pictures in reply to BIG1RED9, 12-06-2018 08:27:05  
It looks like you have the sleeve in the same place my first one was and remember mine started leaking again.
The reservoir on my Cessna pump is 4" high and 4 7/8" wide.

The bottom connection is marked "OUT" right on the pump.
Who did you get the seal from and do you have the part number for it?
So, judging by the reservoir size it looks like you have a Barnes pump.

When do you hope to have it back together and running. I'm anxious to here how it goes?

I also had a Barnes pump on mine before I fixed the seal in the Cessna pump. On the Barnes pump, the reservoir is so close to the distributor that it is a pain to put it in. Some have even suggested removing the distributor to get it out of the way.
But I discovered the easy way to get that Barnes pump back in there. Hold the pump so the top or the reservoir is facing you. In other words it's 90 degrees to the left. Then put it in that way and get the gear engaged and just turn the pump so the reservoir is facing up the right way. It's very simple.
If you have the Barnes pump the hoses will connect the same way with "OUT" on the bottom.

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BIG1RED9

12-09-2018 13:13:06




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My pump reservoir is about 3" high and 5" wide. It would help me to confirm that the pressure port is on the bottom and the return on the side.

I measured the lip of the seal to be at the straight / flare joint on the cover assembly. Again, I did not use the seal called for. I went with the narrower seal because the sleeve is so narrow, it is higher pressure at 50psi and has a double lip.

I pushed my sleeve down as far as i would go.

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BIG1RED9

12-09-2018 12:03:10




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 Re: Power steering pump pictures in reply to BIG1RED9, 12-06-2018 08:27:05  
After talking with SKF I went to a .25 wide double lip seal. I will take pics of everything.



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Caryc

12-09-2018 10:49:21




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But I'm wondering if you could get an .865" sleeve on an .873 shaft without screwing it up?

The shaft where the seal rides is larger than the rest of the shaft. There is a shoulder just above the seal where the shaft narrows. Could you tell me where you put your seal in relation to that shoulder? You see the shoulder I'm talking about in this picture.

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BIG1RED9

12-09-2018 10:37:39




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 Re: Power steering pump pictures in reply to BIG1RED9, 12-06-2018 08:27:05  
I am hopeful. I took my time. If mine doesn't work as planned it is going to a machinist and so the epoxy will not matter.

You can get a hold of SKF support they are really pleasant and helpful. There is a size smaller available for shafts .861 to .865

From the research I have done National and SKF have the same parts - even the same part numbers.



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Caryc

12-09-2018 10:03:26




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That makes me wonder about the consistency of sizes on those sleeves. As I said my old one needed to be tapped on with a mallet and it needed to be cut to get it off. The new one is just loose on the shaft.
You'd better hope you got the old one exactly in the right place otherwise how would you get it off? I found another sleeve on Ebay and ordered it. I'll let you know what it measures when I receive it.

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BIG1RED9

12-09-2018 07:32:39




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From the SKF product brochure.... Which is why I used JB Weld

Don

"Installing SKF Speedi-Sleeve

All SKF Speedi-Sleeve designs are installed the

same way. Although installation is simple,

it should be done carefully to achieve the best

results. As the thin-walled sleeve has an interference

fit, any disturbances on the shaft surface

may create a similar pattern on the sleeve

surface and cause the seal to leak. Therefore,

the seal counterface surface of the shaft should

be carefully cleaned and any burrs or rough

spots filed down prior to installation. Deep wear

grooves, scratches or very rough surfaces

should be treated with a suitable powdered

metal epoxy-type filler. The sleeve must be

positioned on the shaft before the filler has

hardened. "

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BIG1RED9

12-09-2018 07:23:19




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Hi Cary,

I am sorry I did not write down the measurements and mine is installed with JB Weld. My outside sleeve measurement .90 to .91

Don



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Caryc

12-08-2018 13:39:23




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Don, I just went to install the speedi sleeve on my shaft and it just fell right down to the bottom. I had to tap the other one on with a plastic mallet. It's no good loose like this.
If you haven't installed your sleeve yet, could you please measure it? My sleeve measures .875" My shaft measures .873".
Thanks Cary



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BIG1RED9

12-08-2018 07:06:40




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In case you have not noticed.

When you turn the steering wheel right and then left, the shaft lowers and raises. I am going to triple check mine, but I believe the total shaft movement is about .125

So my calcs ....if I am correct

Working area of the sleeve is .331
Center of the sleeve is .1655

Shaft movement up .0625

Shaft movement down .0625

Perfect placement would have the the pressure lip of the seal center with the sleeve when the shaft is neither raised up or down.

It would be nice if the sleeves were an inch wide. I feel a headache coming.

Don

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ptfarmer

12-07-2018 22:35:37




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The whole steering system on these tractors leave a lot to be desired. It's the one thing on these tractors I don't like.



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Caryc

12-07-2018 22:08:55




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I finally got everything I needed to put mine back together. I'll probably do it tomorrow. I just wanted to be sure the rain was over.



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BIG1RED9

12-07-2018 21:33:12




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 Re: Power steering pump pictures in reply to BIG1RED9, 12-06-2018 08:27:05  
Not that I can see. I will take the measurements of the reservoir and take some pictures and share that info. To me it looks like it is wider than it is tall. and the machined metal part is not in the Cessna parts schematic. I am guessing over the years its a combination of pump parts. For now I am comfortable with my work-a-round. Fluid will go through the filter and I can see the port in the bottom of the reservoir.

How is your steering surgery going?
I sent back my new shaft and will be going the sleeve route.

Don

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shaeff

12-07-2018 20:18:04




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You’re very welcome! :) Good luck with it, lots of parts places don’t really care much about what they sell. A repair shop will be of more help for sure.



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Caryc

12-07-2018 13:03:23




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There are two types of pumps, the Barnes pump and the Cessna pump. It looks like you have a Barnes shorter, wider filter in a Cessna pump

The Cessna pump has a taller, narrower reservoir.

The Barnes pump has a shorter, wider reservoir

Does your reservoir anything like Fill Line embossed on the reservoir?.

My Cessna pump has "Cessna" stamped right on the pump.

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BIG1RED9

12-07-2018 05:15:59




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Forgot to thank you for taking the time to help! - and could not edit the post

Don



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BIG1RED9

12-07-2018 05:14:52




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Shaeff that makes more sense. To my eyes the reservoir was wider and when I called and talked with Yesterday, they said there is no taller filter. So it fed my confusion.

I am going to shift and start getting my parts from the shop I can walk into and discuss what I am working on, They restore tractors and have experience. Tired of being told we only sell parts and know nothing. It burns up a lot of time.

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BIG1RED9

12-07-2018 05:09:37




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PT that certainly makes more sense. Given mine is a MHF and the serial number is before the year was tracked, it is logical that the pump would be an early one. The early one is suppose to be a taller reservoir. To my eyes my reservoir seemed wider than tall. I should have taken and posted its dimensions, which I will. Someone must of tried to use the cap from a later model which is what I zeroed in on.

Thank you,

Don

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ptfarmer

12-06-2018 22:25:27




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AGCO 1023057M1

New Holland 167495

Baldwin PT459
O.D.: 2 3/32"
I.D.: 23/32"

Length: 2 1/16"

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shaeff

12-06-2018 21:09:04




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For the taller pump is what I meant to add. Hate that this forum won’t let us edit our own posts...



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shaeff

12-06-2018 20:58:55




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1023057M1 is the taller filter.



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BIG1RED9

12-06-2018 14:02:54




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I just came back from a tractor shop. Not a dealer, but they have access to the same parts. He says, based on the part number its the right filter and to find a taller one without a part number isn't realistic.

So I can move forward, I bought a washer that is close to the shaft size. I am going to use that first, then an o-ring, then the filter, then the machined part with the spring on top and not use the cup.

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Dieseltech

12-06-2018 13:13:50




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Looks like the wrong filter from what I used to put in at the MF dealer I worked for.



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