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135 hydraulic linkage. Not funny any more.

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witzend

08-02-2012 13:57:50




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Come on you 135 experts, DavidP where are you?

I've been doing this check procedure from DavidP. (Draft control in the rearmost position throughout):

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The position control feels fine, the vertical lever goes backwards and forwards, UNTIL the lift arms are raised (the lowered position in normal life), then it seems like it's disconnected. Tried it with the draft control in the frontmost position and it just flicked back. I reckon everyone must be getting pretty sick of this, so thanks everyone who's taken a look. I'm stumped and wondering where to go from here.

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Fergie Bach

08-05-2012 09:14:53




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 Re: 135 hydraulic linkage. Not funny any more. in reply to witzend, 08-02-2012 13:57:50  
PS You don"t need the draft lever with the grass topper. It should always be at the up position.



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witzend

08-05-2012 12:23:34




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 Re: 135 hydraulic linkage. Not funny any more. in reply to Fergie Bach, 08-05-2012 09:14:53  
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Thanks for the info on the draft control: "worn model" certainly covers the situation here not just the tractor so now I know there's not a serious issue with the draft I'll leave it for a winter w/e.



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witzend

08-05-2012 12:23:17




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 Re: 135 hydraulic linkage. Not funny any more. in reply to Fergie Bach, 08-05-2012 09:14:53  
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Thanks for the info on the draft control: "worn model" certainly covers the situation here not just the tractor so now I know there's not a serious issue with the draft I'll leave it for a winter w/e.



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Fergie Bach

08-05-2012 09:12:22




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 Re: 135 hydraulic linkage. Not funny any more. in reply to witzend, 08-02-2012 13:57:50  
Very pleased for you. You are a man of some perserverance.And Dave"s a real star. The draft lever is held in place by simple friction against the quadrant. There should be a screw and a spring and a washer or two.Tightening the screw increases the friction.On worn models with weak springs there can be issues about the screws fouling between draft and postion levers but simple ingenuity(or new springs) will overcome it. Nothing for a man of your talents!!!!!

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DavidP, South Wales

08-03-2012 12:43:57




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 Re: 135 hydraulic linkage. Not funny any more. in reply to witzend, 08-02-2012 13:57:50  
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Hi, not deserted you, not on comp yesterday.
Do you have the hydraulic cover upside down? If you do it is difficult to understand the movement in reverse.
The photo shows the support bracket which fits into two of the holes on the rear of the cover. At the top end is a small pulley. A cord with a hook on it hooks onto the bottom (right way up) of the vertical lever. At the other end of the cord are weights. These must be 3 lbs. Any more and the loading will be upset. Three pounds is the pressure exerted by the pump lever so that you can simulate the cover being in place.
With the cover upside down and position lever in the 'down' position, lift the lift arms upwards to simulate the 3-pt being 'down'. The vertical lever should now be fully away from the lift cylinder. Move the PC lever to a point about halfway. The vertical lever should now move towards the lift cylinder fully. Allow the lift arms to fall slowly (as if rising). At about halfway the vertical lever should move to the central position and stop. Raise the PC lever fully and again the vertical lever should move fully towards the cylinder. Lower the lift arms fully and it should move back to the neutral position. Lower the PC lever, the vertical lever will move fully away from the cylinder until you raise the lift arms (as if lowering) until the vertical lever returns to neutral.
Hope you can follow this. It is essential to rig up something in the way of a support bracket with weights to help you understand what should be happening. Once you understand how it should work, hopefully you will see where the problem is.
Let us know how you get on.
DavidP

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witzend

08-04-2012 14:10:21




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 Re: 135 hydraulic linkage. Not funny any more. in reply to DavidP, South Wales, 08-03-2012 12:43:57  
Ta Dah! Look, no hands. After 2 hours of fiddling, I mean careful adjustment, I (kind of) understand what's going on and how the bits work together. And more to the point I have a working position control and a usable tractor at last: check the photo. Result.

I did not find that very careful following of the manual either made complete sense or worked very well. What's the point of giving a clearance of .004" when the result totally depends on where the control lever is placed within a range of several inches? I found it more fruitful following DavidP's instructions (for which many thanks) and working out what was meant to be happening and adjusting accordingly.

Only problem at present is the Draft control now doesn't work very well. The lever won't hold it's position and keeps springing upright. Any thoughts on what I've mucked up? third party image

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DavidP, South Wales

08-05-2012 13:11:37




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 Re: 135 hydraulic linkage. Not funny any more. in reply to witzend, 08-04-2012 14:10:21  
Hi, great news. The 0.004 is necessary to ensure that no excessive gap or pressure is present which might affect the system operation. Well done.
DavidP



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witzend

08-03-2012 13:32:55




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 Re: 135 hydraulic linkage. Not funny any more. in reply to DavidP, South Wales, 08-03-2012 12:43:57  
Thanks for getting back to me, now I'm ready to crack on at the w/e. Will keep you posted.



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