JD 95 Points

pcrh

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Hi:

I am resurrecting a Model 95 combine. It is in good condition but is hard to start. I figured I would start with the points, condenser, etc.

What would the points gap be? Also does anyone have a part number for the points or condenser?

I noticed when I took the points plate out that is was rust covered and that the advance mechanism is quite dry. I have buffed the plate. Now, should I spray some WD 40 in that advance area?

Thanks
 
NOTHING wrong with wanting the advance to work smoothly, but the stinky spray stuff you mention ain't much of a lube nor does it stick around very long. Total disassembly and polishing and cleaning and applying some thin high temp grease to critical friction/pivot areas of the advance areas will be a LOT better solution, IMHO.

As to the points, a photo would be worth a thousand words here, or maybe a serial number, as there's probably 2 or 3 different versions.

It's likely, though, that points for a GM 6-cylinder engine of that era, with a Delco distributor would fit.

As to the condenser, old condensers SELDOM failed.

But the overpriced CHEAP ones we are supplied with nowadays are a LOT more failure-prone, even right out of the box.

DON'T toss the old condenser, unless it gets proven "bad".
 
Looking at the Parts catalog (PC 568) for the HB-217 engine, they used 4 different distributors: Wico, Prestolite, Delco with clip-on cap and Delco with screws holding the cap. Four different sets of points and condensers. [u:dd29043958]If[/u:dd29043958] your distributor is a Delco with clips holding the cap on; the Standard Motor Products part numbers are: the points are DR 2227P and the condenser is DR 60. I had those cross referenced as they are the same numbers as some of my units use. They are the common points and condensers used in Delco distributors of that vintage.
 

Thanks to Bob and Jim.

Yes a Delco distributor with clips. Thanks Jim for the part numbers. I will see if local store can match up a part.

As time permits I will disassembel the relube. For now I just wanted the get is running to check it out.

Thanks
 

I went back to look at the combine today and found a tag on the distributor. Reads as follows
Prestolite
AT-18286 T
IBT 6101-K 10y

Do any of the above numbers mean anything to anyone?

I do not have a digital camera so could not get a picture to post.
 

It means you have a Prestolite distributor and the Delco points and condenser I posted the other day won't fit it. All the info improves the chances of getting the right parts the first time, one Delco, the Wico and the Prestolite used clips/clamps to hold the caps. You may do this already; When I get something new I like to make a sheet of all the component (distributor, starter, generator, etc.) brands and numbers, I can find and keep with the manuals (including the replacement parts like the points and condenser) for future reference. Photos of them as well.
By the parts book the JD part number for the points is AT21062 which crosses to Standard's AL-5486P. The JD parts number for the condenser is AT14684T which crosses to AL-111. It looks like these were used in a number of the Chrysler family products so should be readily available. Standard Motor Products has an online cross reference search. It won't cross every number but most of the ones it does, will also give you a picture of the part. Does this look like your point set?
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To answer your question about the numbers on the tag. The AT-18286T is the JD part number for the distributor. The IBT 6101-K 19Y is the Prestolite number for the distributor.
 
(reply to post at 20:52:56 09/30/18)

Hi Jim:

Thanks for the number information. Yes once I id the part no's i usually store the old part with references to the matching part number and what equipment it is for.

The picture you included looks like the points I have. While I am at it would you have a part number for the cap. I may not need it yet but may as well have all the information in one place.

Thanks
 
Per the SMP eCatalog cross reference search:
The cap is JD # AT14690T = Standard's # AL 491.
The Rotor is JD # AT14680T = Standard's # AL 167

You can cross these yourself by getting the JD part number from the parts catalog (PC 568 for the 217 power unit) on line, then go to the Standard Motor Products eCatalog on line. Top right you should see a box for search by part number or keyword. Enter the JD number there, check the box for Check for XRef search right below it, then hit the search icon. Sometimes you have to drop the suffix letter from the part number, I had to on these. They are cross references so like any cross referenced items, look at your old parts good or take them with you to compare the first time around. Hope this helps. Jim
 
(reply to post at 20:52:56 09/30/18)

Hi Jim:

Thanks for the numbers on the cap and rotor.

Since you game me the Parts Catalogue number I was able to find the information on the distributor.

What I could not find is how to find that catalogue without previously knowing the number. Any help here?

Also I was looking for the firing order. Usually stamped on the head but so far I have not found it. Any place I should look.

Thanks for you help
 
Good morning,

I did a search for the 95 combine parts catalog at JDParts Homepage. Two showed up, you will need your serial number to get the right one for your 95. These catalogs (PC 580 had just the gas engine, PC 656 referred to the 4 engine options only one straight gas) referred to the engines used and need to go to the respective power unit catalog for engine parts. The gas engine was the HB-217 in both. I did a parts catalog search for that model. You have to drop the HB from it, use just the 217 and the parts catalog options will come up. Pick the power unit from the drop down choices. The old JD site would let you search the parts catalog number if you knew it; I haven't figured out how to do it on the current site. The old parts catalog site, if you can find it now, is being decommissioned on 10/31/18.

I don't know where, or if, JD stamped the firing order on their various engines, but it should be 1-5-3-6-2-4. That is a pretty standard 6 cylinder firing order.
 

Hi Jim:

Thanks for the information. I always find it interesting to see what information is available at various sites once you can figure out how to find the information you want.

You have helped me really get started on the project and I appreciate it.

Thanks
 
Hi pcrh,

Here is a link to the old parts catalog site that should work for you. This site is going away 10/31/2018 per John Deere. From this site you can save copies of the pdfs to your computer, if you want. I don't think the new site will let you save copies of the pdf manuals. The parts catalogs for you machine and engine are old enough that they are pdf documents. The engine is one catalog. You will need your combine s/n to get the right catalog(s). It appears there are a couple catalogs for 95's that may apply.

HTTP://JDPC.DEERE.COM/JDPC/SERVLET/COM.DEERE.U90490.PARTSCATALOG.VIEW.SERVLETS.HOMEPAGESERVLET_ALT?SEARCH=MODEL&MODEL=MO54 .

Glad to help, good luck, Jim
 

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