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Pete76NY

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Saw a post from a couple days ago on the subject...was kinda interesting 'cuz it's not one of those comparisons ya see being debated often, so I wnated to join in!
I know that a WD 45 is/was a good tractor, I think that they were way over powered or under weighted which ever perspective you approach it from.
My experience with them is limited: I know that pulling against them, when they are in the 4000 and 4500 class against my Super C they are are too light, in 5000 and 5500 they will pull well against my Super H, but have never seen them playin' up in the 7000 and 7500 with my 70G. I have seen guys plowing nicely with them with 2 and 3 bottoms but not 4 (not saying it doesn't happen).
I do know that my 70 gas with that big ol' square padded seat with arm rests is like riding a lazy boy compared to the WD AND my feet are on the same level, not one dangling lower than the other (this caused both a WD 45 and a MM R to head down the road) and it pulls a set of 3-16s comfortably all day in 2nd, 3rd or 4th gear depending on the ground, it doesn't use any more gas than my '48 A or the Super M.
I would certainly choose the 70G if I had to choos between the 2.
 
Allis Chalmers never did join the rest of the industry with Ergonomics,they were hard to get on and off of and the controls were all over the place..and there is nothing good about working on them,they split awkwardly, each component is in the way of the next, it's no wonder they are extinct now...
 
A John Deere sure is not easy work on.I have worked on those 2 cylinders they are not piece of cake to work on.As for controls your throttle and hydraulics are right in front of you the shifter right below those controls on a WD 45.Furthermore they will pull 4 14" mounted plows with the Traction Booster set up correctly there are factory photos of it I have a WD45 I know what it can do.
 
JD's not easy to work on! I can change a clutch out on a 2 cyl. JD in less than 15 minutes out in the field. How long do you suppose it will take you to do an Allis? Better have plenty of shop floor space available also.
 
That clutch is about the only thing that is easy on them.How about taking the head off and doing a valve job I bet that takes more than 15 minutes.Further more all you need is the space that the tractor sets on to change the clutch.
 
Well Kent come to my dads house my dad grew up running a WD45 he will prove it you.It takes 10hp for each 14" plow it has 40hp on the drawbar so it is quite capable of pulling it with the Traction Booster weight transfer system that Allis Chalmers used. It has to be a mounted plow not a pull type plow.
 
(quoted from post at 21:38:24 10/31/11) Well Kent come to my dads house my dad grew up running a WD45 he will prove it you.It takes 10hp for each 14" plow it has 40hp on the drawbar so it is quite capable of pulling it with the Traction Booster weight transfer system that Allis Chalmers used. It has to be a mounted plow not a pull type plow.
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Around here a WD45 was lucky to pull 2-12s on a good day!
 
Mr Werner, in response to your statement about removing a 2 cylinder head taking a long time, I have replaced a head gasket on an A, set the valve lash, and had it running in an hour. I would guess if you were huslting you might do a lawnmower - er allis head in the same time. The biggest worry I would have with an Allis would be how long it takes to put the belly mower under it. After all, isn't that all they're good for? They already have the small lawnmower tires on them. If the plowing you're doing only takes 10HP per 14" plow bottom, you're either plowing sand, or you're not plowing but 5 inches deep. With all due respect, Mike
 
Our old A used to keep up with the neighbor's D17 in the gumbo bottom. Both were pulling the same size plow (3-14's) and the AC plow WAS mounted. Sure took the fire out of the neighbor. Mike
 
well Joe the neb test is 37 hp on the draw bar and a WD45 will not pull 4-14 8 to 9 ins deep here and we have light soil you guys just dont want to belive that you dont have the best. if they were so good way are they gone now
 
Back in the 1960s, before transfer sleds, a neighbor could pull more weight with a John Deere A , then an Allis D17 diesel.The JD 2 cylinder models are some of the easiest I have ever worked on.
 

I'd like to see how many Horses it would take to pull one 14" plow in your ground then...!!
Must have taken about 4 GOOD Horses, I guess..!


Yes, every '45 we had, had ALL tires Loaded as full as possible, and added front weight for plowing..
Probably pushing 5,500 lbs I would guess..
Duals for discing ground..made them about as Wide as they are Long..!
3rd gear was for Discing, always..
Ron..
 
One thing I learned ( 50+ years ago) to separate the Green and Orange. Filled up the green with gas in the morning and you could make hay all day but the orange had to also have gas at noon or you run out before all the hay was in for the night.
 
Saw a WD45D out pull a 70G at a tractor pull last summer. I guess if you ask the same question on the AC section you will get some different answers. Of course those guys hate green.
 

The WD 45s were our "Big" tractors and the JD Late Styled "B"s were the smaller ones..

Nope, I guess I ought to be like the Semi Truck driver that always wanted to write a book about his travels, BUT when he retired he gave it up because "He$$ Nobody would believe it anyway"..!!!

There must not be many still around that actually Farmed with these, or they would know that I am not stretching it one bit..
Mine was arm-strong steering, Dad's had Power Steering..we worked in the fields as a Family..most everyone having a job to do or a tractor to keep working..
Many times, Mom was 2 Counties away, Custom Baling..(WD-45 and JD 116W)..
Daylight-to-Dark was NOT a Full day...

Ron..
 
So.........were the fuel tanks the same capacity? WD45 held about 15 gallons. JD, likely much more. Your post is nonsense without facts, and proves nothing.
 
Holy cow people, I`m embarrased to like a particular brand! I like John Deeres. I have never farmed (or pulled, but they are farm tractors and I`m a farmer, I couldn`t care less about what they do on a sled) with a WD45, or a 70 for that matter. If given the choice I would take a 70, as said, I like deeres. But for crying out loud, a WD45 was produced because they WORKED. So did a 70. There is a 4 1/2 horse difference on the drawbar, a little work, a little weight, better tires is all it would take to tip the scales towards one or the other. All this bickering is like listening to my neighbor say that the 8N saved the American farm..... :roll:
 
I am not slamming AC by any means, I love our D10, and I know that WD45s and other AC models have a huge following and a well earned reputation. I simple stated that I found them to be uncomfy compared to other brands/models: specificaly my JD 70G.
As far as the 45D out pulling a 70? Every dog has it"s day, happened to slip sideways once while pulling on a wet track, found an unused spot and bit, and my Super C beat a passle of late JD As and a Case DC...could I make that happen again? prolly not. Also I am speaking of truly "bone stock" division 1 pulling, nothing modified or turned up. That having been said, a weighted up WD45 could feasably be pulling at 6500, and a lightened up 70 could be too. Anyone who knows a strictly stock 70 know that they are really a 1 class (7500) tractor; any lighter and they spin, any heavier and ya are pulling against 720s and there"s no joy in that.
As far as plowing, I am sure that a properly set up WD 45 is one heck of a plowin" fool. At our plow days I see "em spinning like fools "cuz there aren"t many people that know how to correctly weight them and utilize the traction control. A two cylinder Deere is by it"s nature underpowered and over weighted which makes for much better traction with minimal tweaking, and the weight is right where ya need it. The WD 45 is just the opposite: needs alot of attention to get the power to weight ratio evened up and weight where it needs to be. Ollies amd MHs also need some power to weight tweaking compared to the JDs too.
Another factor is plow set up...lot"s of guys show up at a plow day, drop the plow and never look back, have no idea how to adjust the plow: depth, guage wheel...etc.
At our club"s plow day this spring, things were wet, wet, wet..the only tractors not having spinning issues were the 2 cyl Deeres and N Fords.
I left the Super H sitting on the sidelines watchin while I jumped back and forth between the 70 and the A. Dad never even got off his N all day...well he did get off once to hook a chain to a WD45 to get it moving once the tires filled up with mud once!
 
I am 100% green,but family members had WD45's and D-15-D-19's. A good wd45 will pull 4-14's if it is set up right in alot of soil conditions. A three bottom is more fun because you do not have to fight the tractor as much.In there day they were good tractors,very handy for unexperienced help to use as chore tractors. I hate two-cyclinders hand clutch.
 
I would agree. try changing the differential gear on a G . all I can say what a job, finger busting piece of work. a grade school kid must of though of that.
 
We have some of the toughest limestone clay in the
world and the ole 45 pulled 3 fourteens for years.
Over the years, 3-14s AC, oliver and International-
oly & Int after the 45 got the Ac 3-pt conversion.
I've seen some old straight WDs & WCs with two
bottoms, but never less than three bottoms on a true
WD-45.
 
You might want to look on youtube before you get too noisy. There's a couple clips of a 45D pulling 4 14's without spinning a bit.
Only thing JD can claim is they have benefitted from good business managers. Everything else they've copied...
 

A 620 and 630 are a different animal than an "A" or 60..Great amounts of More power..!
Seemed we could out-work the neighbors D-17 too..
Maybe he didn't push his as hard as we did..

Ron..
 
(quoted from post at 22:07:52 11/01/11) You might want to look on youtube before you get too noisy. There's a couple clips of a 45D pulling 4 14's without spinning a bit.
Only thing JD can claim is they have benefitted from good business managers. Everything else they've copied...
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Take your WD45 from the sand and loam soil you were ploughing at 4". And sink 4-14's in our blue clay at 6" deep.
The WD45 will only make whimpering sounds.
 
I have 3 A JDs and a WD45 Allis....neighbor has a D17....In my opinion a stock A is not going to keep up with a D17.

2 16s is all the A's want in the ground around here, usually run second.....sometimes first if there is roots in old ground......the WD45 pulls 3 14s in 3rd most of the time without a struggle.

Allis-Chalmers only went under b/c of poor financial choices........not because of bad equipment....Allis-Chalmers had the upper hand I believe and thats coming from a John Deere man!
 
(quoted from post at 15:08:15 11/02/11) If you were to build a pulling tractor the WD45 would have 3 times the power of the 70 for the same amount of money.
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Who was? We were talking a factory stock tractor as a 1950's farmer would use.
 
(quoted from post at 15:04:23 11/02/11) I have 3 A JDs and a WD45 Allis....neighbor has a D17....In my opinion a stock A is not going to keep up with a D17.

2 16s is all the A's want in the ground around here, usually run second.....sometimes first if there is roots in old ground......the WD45 pulls 3 14s in 3rd most of the time without a struggle.

Allis-Chalmers only went under b/c of poor financial choices........not because of bad equipment....Allis-Chalmers had the upper hand I believe and thats coming from a John Deere man!
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Well duh..........how is a 26HP tractor supposed to keep up with 38HP tractor?
 
You have the right to your opinion. I was there. The A hurt the D17. The A was "healthy". The mounted plow of the D17 should have pulled easier than the pull type John Deere. In brown dirt the D17 would likely have walked away from the A. But in the gumbo it was a different story. And the A was pulling the plow deeper as well. Mike
 
but the 70 will have torgue and lug..the 45 will die when it loses rpms..ive got a wd45 in shop..nice tractor but not in same class as a john deere..the seat on the 45 stinks and its too light of a tractor..i guess they work great with allis plow and disc but under weight to pull a trailer plow...wd45s do pull good in light classes but cant run with the deeres in heavy classes
 
My 1944 A has 45 over aluminum pistons and a gas manifold.....I still don't think it will out show a D17 though...may be wrong....I've never tried.

I do know one thing for sure though....a John Deere tractor works good with John Deere implements and a Allis-Chalmers tractor works good with Allis-Chalmers implements. They don't all that great mixing things around.

Both are better than a Farmall right? LOL........any Farmall guys don't be made...I am just joking around.....to be honest all tractors have a purpose for something.
 
I had a WD 45 for about a year. Hated that thing. Rocker arm stands broken. Why would a short stout little thing like that split down the middle ? Then there's the seat, miserable tractor to see behind you and your feet must go here & here. And the poor excuse for live pto. Way over rated in my book. Will never buy an AC again.
 
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