5083E question

Does anyone have any experience with a 5083E .. the limited series John Deere tractors. I've seen a considerable number late model 83E, 93E and 101E's for sale. After looking closely, i've determioned that they are probably made in India/Mexico and assembled in Georgia. The 5000 M series have considerable more heft in the rear end ..much bigger differential ...and the M series has lower link draft sensing vs top link sensing for the E series. The E series cab seems like it's just plopped on the tractor and not very well engineered ...kinda flimsy inside, fabric not taut probably won't wear well. I want to use it for moderate-heavy tillage & loader work, but the rear end and 3pt hitch doesn't look like it will handle it. Any feedback would be appreciated?

There's probably a reason you see so many nearly new ones for sale. My neighbor has a 5603 that he bought new that he states is the worse tractor hes ever owned. It's been back to the dealer 4 or 5 times since it was first delivered.

You might give a shout-out to buickanddeere on this forum. He seems to be the most knowledgeable person on the New JD 5000 series tractors on this forum.

First off, TX jim and myself do not have the same opinions on 5000 series tractors. With that said, the new 5e's are good tractors, very few problems with them, same with the 5m's. 5m's are a little heavier built, it uses the same type of load sencing as the 6,7,8,9 series tractor. It doesn't have the lower sencing shaft like the older tractors. We sell alot of both. Really just depends on what kind of money u wanna spend. E's are more "mechanicaly " controlled while the M's are "electronicly controlled

What kind of Cadillac features were you expecting on an entry level, stripped down, absolute minimal cost machine?
There are on the market for people who don't care about anything except the absolute lowest price.

ryan3020
Have you ever searched the internet for later model tractor failures? I have. There are several other tractor sites other than YT that have questions about late model tractor failures.

Why are so many very low hour late model tractors for sale if they didn't have reliability problems?

Possibly the economy and folk with rural estates
having to sell off non essentials?

Sry TX Jim, I'm not gonna have a bs contest with u this time, you are obviously full of it. However, It is entering to listen to argue your " I can't touch the moon so its not real" theories.

I would suggest a little more respect and a
politer way of saying that you have a difference of
opinion with txjim.

I have politely stated before that we have a difference of opinion. I respect his opinion however he does not mine. There is NO doubt in my mind that he has more knowledge of older john deere products then i may ever have. I respect my elders, my 82 year grandfather has farmed everyday of his life, I respected and looked up to him. He was killed last tuesday in a farming accident and we buried him today. I drove his good ol 70 diesel attached to his old horse wagon in the funeral percession, so please don't preach respect to me.

"(quoted from post at 23:34:50 05/21/11) I respect his opinion however he does not mine.

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First off I wish to offer my condolences to you on the passing of your
Grandfather. I never got to meet one of my Grandfathers because he died before I was born.
Second I do respect your opinion just choose to disagree with it.

I think the New tractors will be hard pressed with all the electronics to be running in 30-40 yrs. I also think the new tractors have a lot of component failures.

I also think the New smaller tractors(75 hp & below) are focused more to loader/pto work rather than actual farm work. Granted most farmers but not ALL use higher hp tractors.

You referred to the"my not touching the moon theory" which I have no idea where you came up with that. I thought I'd documented my statements.

Please answer one question. If New tractors are so good why are so many low hour JD tractors for sale??????

Finally if I've offended you I APOLOGIZE

My Condolances as well. I never met my paternal GrandFather the the successful one. Just my maternal grandfather who was the king of cobb jobs.

Thank-you both. I also apologize for my pointed remarks as I'm sure my emotion got the best of me. To answer your question, I performed a quick search on f******eand tr*********e and only came up with 23 hits on 5083e. I personally don't consider that alot of units. In general I believe low hour units are attributed to rentals, leases, and that the market is flooded with options. I have experienced customers get mad at a john Deere dealer because they wont warranty something that is not caused by defect but rather operator error. Then trade their Deere in for a kubota, case ih, etc. In closeing i ask you a question, there are hundreds of low hour new model john deere combines. Does that mean these are of poor quality also?

Ryan
No apology necessary for me as I didn't see anything offensive in what you stated about me. Yes I'm set in my ways on the older JD tractors/equipment. If I state something incorrect I want someone to correct me.
I wasn't just referring to 5083e models but all new JD models.

The operator error problem not being covered by factory warranty and then trading unit for a different "color/brand" was going on even back in the time I was employed by a JD dealer

On the low hour tractor/combine question for sale. It's my understanding that the largest majority of combines that are purchased are actually leased by "custom harvesters" that turn them back in for a new unit after a seasons run. You may feel free to correct me if that is an incorrect statement on my part.

Yes, that is how it works, causing a large amount of low hr new units so why can' t the same be true of tractors? I resently read an article in a Deere dealer newsletter talking about a dealer on the east cost renting/ leasing more the 100 new Deere's (mostly 5 e's and M's) to a customer that used these units for shoreline clean up in the wake of the oil rig disaster. Renting and leaseing has become much more ideal for business which adds to the market of low he used machines.

I would like to thank all who responded. I now have a better perspective on the lower end 5000 series tractors, that I just didn't see. Perhaps I've been blinded by the "think green" mentality, which I admit I'm probably guilty of. I farm 350 acres, producing grass fed beef for a private market and just don't like or need high HP tractors. I'm primarily a grass land farmer, but do a fair amount of annual pasture/hay land improvement and therefore need a good tillage tractor. My 30 year old Allis Chalmers ( 175 & 6080 )are getting a bit worn, but still provide me with effective and efficient service. I use a JD 5320 for my hay chores and have found that over time it is more maintenance prone than my old ACs. Heavy PTO work caused a spun bearing on the bell housing..and it has had a couple of hydraulic pumps along the way. I guess I embarrassed the JD factory folks about the spun bearing, when I told them they had an engineering problem... to make a long story short I only paid 400 bucks of a 1500 dollar bill. However, trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear is pointless. The market demographics suggest that the 5000 series is not directed at "farmers" per se... but weekenders and hobbyists ... I have series doubts that the 5000 series was intended for what I want to use it for and therefore will look to perhaps a 6000 series machines or look again at Massey Ferguson who make a heavy duty relatively low HP tractor.
Thanks again for all your important comments...

(quoted from post at 14:22:47 05/22/11) Yes, that is how it works, causing a large amount of low hr new units so why can' t the same be true of tractors?

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Ryan
You're correct about the increased number of tractors that are leased every year that end up for sale at the termination of the lease. I hadn't thought about or considered that fact.

There are 19- 5083E's listed on Machineryfinder.com on 2 state rental/lease return but that doesn't mean more were rental/lease tractors. Highest hrs use listed was 780 and lowest hrs was 52