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YERK! (Attention, Buick!)

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Bob

11-25-2010 22:19:59




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I recently bought a 4020 PS gasser to keep my 4020 diesel PS company, and, since I wany easy winter starting I though perhaps I'd order an electric destroke kit, or perhaps NOT!

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Tx Jim

11-27-2010 10:11:25




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 Re: YERK! (Attention, Buick!) in reply to Brendon-KS, 11-25-2010 22:19:59  
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buickanddeere

If you had worked for a JD dealer back in 60's/70's you would know that "moving steering wheel on a closed center JD tractor" wasn't a "farmer fix" but came from a company known as DEERE



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buickanddeere

11-27-2010 13:39:43




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 Re: YERK! (Attention, Buick!) in reply to Tx Jim, 11-27-2010 10:11:25  
I'm old but old enough to have worked at a Deere Dealership in the 60's.



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Mike M

11-26-2010 10:59:54




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 Re: YERK! (Attention, Buick!) in reply to Bob, 11-25-2010 22:19:59  
At that price I'd spend it on propane or fuel oil to heat a building and keep the whole tractor inside ready to go !



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alabamafrog

11-26-2010 10:25:29




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 Re: YERK! (Attention, Buick!) in reply to Bob, 11-25-2010 22:19:59  
I am not familiar with the destroker valve setup. I am very familiar with the benefit of rocking the steering wheel while cranking. I know that makes a big difference in winter time and is a necessity to remember to do with the old 4010 and also helps with the 4020. Does the destroker really do that much more than rocking the wheel?

Of course here in Bama extreme cold is +20 degrees but I have never had any trouble as long as I plugged in the block heater the night before and rocked the wheel while cranking.

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jdemaris

11-26-2010 10:29:33




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 Re: YERK! (Attention, Buick!) in reply to alabamafrog, 11-26-2010 10:25:29  
Rocking the wheel works on some snd does nothing on others. All depends on which internal leak is actually causing the cranking problem.

Manual destroker always works.



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jdemaris

11-26-2010 07:14:02




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 Re: Why ?? in reply to Bob, 11-25-2010 22:19:59  
If you've got the old pump, installing the destroker requires pulling out the entire pump, replacing the entire stroke-control housing, reshimming and adjusting the bearings on the pump shaft, etc. You'd have to be nuts - or eager to waste time and money - when you COULD just spend $5-$10 and install a manual destroker with a T-handle. T-handle does exactly the same thing as the electric destroker - just has to be done manual. No big deal.

Now, if you have a newer, replacement pump that already has the electric destroker port - it might be worth it (but I doubt it).

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Bob

11-26-2010 07:40:34




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 Re: Why ?? in reply to jdemaris, 11-26-2010 07:14:02  
APPARENTLY, this "new and improved" destroker kit with EXTERNAL solenoid valve WILL fit either the old or new style pumps.

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jdemaris

11-26-2010 09:33:43




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 Re: Why ?? in reply to Bob, 11-26-2010 07:40:34  
I have to admit, that is something I've never seen before. Deere didn't have that setup available back when I last worked at Deere (1991). The destroker-solenoid in that diagram kind of looks the same as before, but gets remotely mounted instead.

We installed many electric destroke kits back when you had to change the entire valve-cover-assembly. A lot of work for little potential gain.

Like I said earlier, a $5-$10 destroker works just as well and perhaps better. I say better because it's all mechanical and pretty much has to work.

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nickg

11-26-2010 06:26:26




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 Re: YERK! (Attention, Buick!) in reply to Bob, 11-25-2010 22:19:59  
OUCH! I have to agree with TimS. Heck of a lot cheaper to just turn the steering wheel back and fourth.



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buickanddeere

11-26-2010 13:46:40




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 Re: YERK! (Attention, Buick!) in reply to nickg, 11-26-2010 06:26:26  
Get a destroker and unload the pump instead of the farmer fix of rocking the steering wheel. The destroker actually takes hydraulic pump load off the starter motor. The wiggly giggly on the steering wheel just bleeds some pressure while the pump and starter are still trying to build pressure and flow through a leak.



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Stuart

11-26-2010 05:54:10




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 Re: YERK! (Attention, Buick!) in reply to Bob, 11-25-2010 22:19:59  
With good batteries, cables, and stronger starter along with an engine coolant heater, you dont need that destroke kit.



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buickanddeere

11-26-2010 21:53:23




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 Re: YERK! (Attention, Buick!) in reply to Stuart, 11-26-2010 05:54:10  
May as well get a really big set of batteries and starter. You could save time by leaving the pto and tractor in gear. And just start then instantly take off and do a day's work.



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buickanddeere

11-26-2010 13:47:44




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 Re: YERK! (Attention, Buick!) in reply to Stuart, 11-26-2010 05:54:10  
Get a destroker and unload the pump instead of the farmer fix of rocking the steering wheel. The destroker actually takes hydraulic pump load off the starter motor. The wiggly giggly on the steering wheel just bleeds some pressure while the pump and starter are still trying to build pressure and flow through a leak.



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Stuart

11-27-2010 05:52:19




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 Re: YERK! (Attention, Buick!) in reply to buickanddeere, 11-26-2010 13:47:44  
Or you could just plug the engine heater in over night and have it start perfect in the morning. When its cold out I cant imagine starting a diesel tractor with having in plugged in for a few hours.



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Stuart

11-26-2010 21:32:20




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 Re: YERK! (Attention, Buick!) in reply to buickanddeere, 11-26-2010 13:47:44  
You didnt listen to the first thing I said. Bigger starter, I think a 5kw is what is common, good batteries, and good cables. Dont need a destroking kit.



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Tim S

11-26-2010 05:49:36




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 Re: YERK! (Attention, Buick!) in reply to Bob, 11-25-2010 22:19:59  
It's even "cheaper" to rock the steering wheel a bit...It gets cold here in central Ohio (tropical compared to Minn.:) but I haven't seen a destrokeing valve on any of the many tractors that come through my shop ..I have never installed one,,But that price seems "very' high to me...



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buickanddeere

11-26-2010 13:47:14




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 Re: YERK! (Attention, Buick!) in reply to Tim S, 11-26-2010 05:49:36  
Get a $15.00 destroker and unload the pump instead of the farmer fix of rocking the steering wheel. The destroker actually takes hydraulic pump load off the starter motor. The wiggly giggly on the steering wheel just bleeds some pressure while the pump and starter are still trying to build pressure and flow through a leak.



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Tx Jim

11-26-2010 05:40:42




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 Re: YERK! (Attention, Buick!) in reply to A GURU, 11-25-2010 22:19:59  
Bob,

Your JD dealer must be one of those that sell parts at MSRP + a % because I show this when I look it up

Part Number: RE40463
Replaces Part: RE14868

Part Price: 575.00 USD

Description: KIT, HYDRAULIC PUMP ELEC DESTROKE



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Tech 7

11-26-2010 05:14:14




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 Re: YERK! (Attention, Buick!) in reply to Bob, 11-25-2010 22:19:59  
Yes I've had a few people recoil from that price....I've only ever put 2 or 3 on. Cheaper to climb off,twist the screw and get back on. Bob



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Bob

11-26-2010 07:42:09




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 Re: YERK! (Attention, Buick!) in reply to Tech 7, 11-26-2010 05:14:14  
It gets to -20F or colder here and I wanted to avoid freezing my dainty little fingers while twiddling with the manual destroker!



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Tim S

11-26-2010 08:30:30




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 Re: YERK! (Attention, Buick!) in reply to Bob, 11-26-2010 07:42:09  
That's the kinda cold I don't want to think about,,every thing changes when you get down to that temp....



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