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F-I-T Kurt_JDB - I am a believer!!

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Kris A NC

06-30-2010 05:05:03




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I just want to say Thank You. I first came across putting a carburetor in a charcoal grill reading one of Kurt"s posts. I did more research and found it was F-I-T who was the original poster on this "method". Well, I took my carb out of the ash yesterday afternoon and to my surprise (sorry to doubt you) every rusted piece in the carb turned out with ease. I was impressed and excited. I have never had a carb come apart that easy. My hats off to both of you for your transfer of Knowledge. Thank you very much. That is why I love this board, because of the wealth of knowledge from individuals like yourselves.

Kris A NC

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machinery-man

06-30-2010 14:02:55




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 Re: F-I-T Kurt_JDB - I am a believer!! in reply to Kris A NC, 06-30-2010 05:05:03  
Fire can be a friend or a foe. I know several years ago I worked with a 520 that had been in a barn fire. The heavy parts were okay, transmission gears, housings, however when it got to the light cast items and thin material the fire deterioated and twisted them. I suppose it relates to the way the item was created. Now the fire unless oxygenated wouldn't destroy brass but a demo at the Biltmore farm showed oxygenated would melt brass. Of course his pit was concentrated much unlike a barbecue grill and the air mixture would produce a green fire which means melting. He had to watch for the color to change then it was at melting temperature much like use accetylene torch. The red or even orange would not melt. Thanks for the post...little metalurgy can go a long way....

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Fred from MO

06-30-2010 11:17:02




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 Re: F-I-T Kurt_JDB - I am a believer!! in reply to Kris A NC, 06-30-2010 05:05:03  
I wonder if the fire method would work on 45 loader brackets (the treaded adjustable ones) or would they warp one way or the other from the heat since they are long and thin.?



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F-I-T

06-30-2010 12:11:20




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 Re: F-I-T Kurt_JDB - I am a believer!! in reply to Fred from MO, 06-30-2010 11:17:02  
Fred, do you mean the long tube turnbuckle? I think it would work, but, you'd only want to put the threaded end in. I would dig a small pit so the tube could lay flat on the ground and stay cool, then build the fire in the pit for the threaded end. If you know a local ferrier, have him put the nut end on his forge. But personally, I use a reosebud tip as you can control the flame. It should not take much heat or time.

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Loren NC

06-30-2010 10:36:35




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 Charcoal grille????? in reply to Kris A NC, 06-30-2010 05:05:03  
I must have missed that post. Care to repeat a short version of what you do?



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teddy52food

06-30-2010 21:02:11




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 Re: Charcoal grille????? in reply to Loren NC, 06-30-2010 10:36:35  
Sounds like a good way to ruin a float. Take the bowl off first as there are screws in there that need to come out too. I use a torch & heat each screw until the flame shows a green color. Let it cool & the screws will be loose.



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Kurt_JDB

07-01-2010 05:01:10




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 Re: Charcoal grille????? in reply to teddy52food, 06-30-2010 21:02:11  
Sometimes it can come down to a choice between saving the float or saving the stem. I have had a couple of carbs with steel rather than brass bowl nuts that were solidly rusted on. For those I made the decision to heat the whole carb so I could get that bowl nut off without breaking the stem. That did work, and I did have to replace the floats.

If you can separate the bowl from the body and remove the float before you put it in the fire, that is the way to go. Same for removing the filter screen lid, the needle valve, and the choke and throttle plates.

Kurt

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F-I-T

07-01-2010 08:43:37




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 Re: Charcoal grille????? in reply to Kurt_JDB, 07-01-2010 05:01:10  
Bingo on the stem comment, Kurt! You beat me to it. I would rather buy a float than repair a stem. Of course you try to remove every part you can with normal force, and it works, then great! But for those times when it is stuck, and you need the body to be reclaimed, you have to resort to different methods and pick your battles.

Sometimes I look on JDPARTS to price things like internal snap rings, seals, etc. just to know how much it cost me if I ruin that to make it easier to get to the rare, heavy, expensive part. Can save a lot of time cutting through a cheao circlip or snap ring that is otherwise difficult to remove. Pick your battles.

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Kurt_JDB

07-01-2010 09:35:48




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 Re: Charcoal grille????? in reply to F-I-T, 07-01-2010 08:43:37  
Pick your battles, I do the same.

I had a fanshaft I could not get the friction disks to budge on when I went to R&R the bearings. I was concerned about bending the shaft with the press. Checked with Deere, friction disks and keeper still available so just took care of them with a mini cut off wheel and went my merry way.

Kurt



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Kris A NC

06-30-2010 11:10:53




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 Re: Charcoal grille????? in reply to Loren NC, 06-30-2010 10:36:35  
get a charcoal grill and put charcoal in and light it. Then lay your carb in the fire and cover once the flames are out and it is the smoldering coals. Let "bake" all day until flame is out and carb is cool. Take screw driver and turn all the brass fittings out. One of the best tips I have come across.

Kris A NC



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F-I-T

06-30-2010 10:43:17




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 Re: Charcoal grille????? in reply to Loren NC, 06-30-2010 10:36:35  
Light up a batch of charcoal in your grill. Lay your old carburetor in the coals and let it cook until the coals go out. Waiting until the next morning is best. All the screws will turn out easily then, as the heat/cool cycle, along with the phospahte soap effect in the ash dust which lubricates the threas. Works on stuck 3 point hitch arms, too, though I just use a hot wood fire for that.



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Kurt_JDB

06-30-2010 06:46:24




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 Re: F-I-T Kurt_JDB - I am a believer!! in reply to Kris A NC, 06-30-2010 05:05:03  
Kris,

Thank you so much for your post. I am glad this worked out for you. Happy to help in a small way.

Have you ever tried FIT's electrolysis method for degreasing and rust conversion? Another "I can't believe it" time saver.

Kurt



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F-I-T

06-30-2010 08:24:53




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 Re: F-I-T Kurt_JDB - I am a believer!! in reply to Kurt_JDB, 06-30-2010 06:46:24  
See, I dream that stuff because I am cheap and lazy! HA! Don't forget "Lye Gravy" home made paint remover. I just used that stuff on some furniture refinishing. This afternoon, the first of my patio furniture goes in the e-tank.



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Kurt_JDB

07-01-2010 16:13:13




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 Re: F-I-T Kurt_JDB - I am a believer!! in reply to F-I-T, 06-30-2010 08:24:53  
FIT,

I haven"t had a chance to try your lye gravy yet, but it is on my "to do" list when I get around to cleaning up and swapping out one of my cast centers.

Ain"t chemistry fun.

Kurt



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F-I-T

07-01-2010 17:10:57




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 Re: F-I-T Kurt_JDB - I am a believer!! in reply to Kurt_JDB, 07-01-2010 16:13:13  
...Only if you read and follow label directions.



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