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One more problem on my 273 baler

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Tom in TN

11-13-2023 16:53:53




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Okay. You guys are probably sick of my asking about the NH 273 baler that I've been asking about for months, but here's my latest dilemma. I had a broken knotter frame so I bought a used one from All States Ag Parts. I'm not fussing about them, I've bought many parts from them in the past and they have all been good. This particular knotter had a bad billhook on it when I got it. I bought a new billhook and finally got around to installing it. I drove the little pin out of it, but I can't get the billhook out of the pinion gear that it goes through. This particular knotter has not been serviced regularly and the billhook is fused into the pinion gear from lack of grease.

I've soaked the parts in penetrating oil for days now and heated the pinion gear as much as I could with one of my propane torches, but to no avail. Do you think that if I heated the pinion with an acetylene torch I could get it hot enough to break the bond that it has on the billhook?

Thanks for any advice.

Tom in TN

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Tom in TN

11-14-2023 17:10:07




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 Re: One more problem on my 273 baler in reply to Tom in TN, 11-13-2023 16:53:53  
I think that I had some success today with my baler. I had my acetylene tank filled yesterday and used the acetylene torch on my stuck, defective billhook today. Sure enough, the acetylene torch worked very well to expand the pinion gear and in very short order I was able to rotate the billhook in the pinion gear. A little more heat, some more rotation of the billhook, and some tugs on the billhook and I got it out of the pinion gear.

Tomorrow, I plan to inspect the pinion gear and, if necessary, use a spare pinion gear that I have and try to install the new billhook. I guess we'll see.

Thank you for all of the observations that you gave to me. They were very helpful.

Tom in TN

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rustred

11-14-2023 06:54:00




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 Re: One more problem on my 273 baler in reply to Tom in TN, 11-13-2023 16:53:53  
since u say the baler has been neglected, have you checked that gear to see if its worth removing. them gears wear also , and the flat part should be flat not have one side worn. i remember dad replacing them gears on the john deere grain binder due to wear. i take it you have no press so just put it in a vise gear on top and use a punch the same size pretty much as the shaft and smack it out using a 2 -3 lb ball peen hammer. and yes fast heat helps.

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Mike(NEOhio)

11-14-2023 05:32:36




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 Re: One more problem on my 273 baler in reply to Tom in TN, 11-13-2023 16:53:53  
Since you have a new billhook can you cut the shaft on the old one to take the gear off then press what's left out of the gear?



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DanielW

11-14-2023 04:59:08




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 Re: One more problem on my 273 baler in reply to Tom in TN, 11-13-2023 16:53:53  
I thing the O/A with an intense, narrow, hot flame on a cutting tip (obviously don't touch the oxygen lever) would be the way to go. Smaller propane/MAP torches are pretty lousy for getting parts apart: Even though most of them might be able to get the metal hot enough (eventially), their colder flames they take a lot longer to get the parts up to temp: By the time you've expanded the one part, the heat has conducted its way though to the other parts so they've expanded at nearly the same rate. You need the lots of heat to be applied fast, so the one part expands on its own before too much of the heat can conduct to the mating part.

It also helps making sure you don't damage other nearby parts from too much heat. It sounds counter-intuitive, but the hotter flame keeps other parts cooler/safer. Better to heat in one quick shot with a hot torch before the heat can conduct to other parts.

We used to get that with camera heads that came into the machine shop for repair. There was one Italian company where you had to heat an aluminum brake part stupidly hot to get it out. We'd get lots of units in where the internals/electronics had been melted or ruined, because people where trying to use small torches to prevent damage to the fancy electronics parts inside. They'd get shocked when they'd see us bring an super-intense O/A flame into a small, precision piece of equipment with lots of fancy electronics. But the brake has to be heated crazily hot to get it apart, regardless of how you heat it. If you use a colder flame from a handheld torch, by the time the brake gets up to temperature everything else has heated and melted. But if you use an intense, narrow O/A flame, you can get the brake up to temp, get it apart, and cool everything back off with an air gun before the other parts even know what's happening (sort of speak).

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caterpillar guy

11-14-2023 03:19:26




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 Re: One more problem on my 273 baler in reply to Tom in TN, 11-13-2023 16:53:53  
If the billhook is shot then I would heat it not the shaft or other parts unless I had to. Propane torches unless used like an acetylene torch with the propane instead will not usually get hot enough to do much.



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