What kind of hay rake is it?

BarnyardEngineering

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Rochester, NY
Next door neighbor has a 5-bar hay rake. It's painted red and yellow and from a distance looks like a New Holland 55 BUT...

1. The "stars" are full circles, a 55 has 5-point stars.
2. There is only a single crank to lift and lower, a 55 has two cranks.
3. This rake is belt driven, a 55 is shaft driven.

Another important feature of this rake is it has 6-bolt wheels/hubs like a 55 New Holland.

I've compared it to every brand rake I can think of and can't come up with a match. IH is belt driven but has 4-bolt hubs and the frame is shaped differently. Deere is shaft driven.

Wish I had a picture but he has it hidden away somewhere right now.
 
New Idea 402 meets your description, except not sure on the wheel bolts.
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I think Timmy had the winner. Allis of that era used a ton of 6 bolt wheels on everything, and Youtube video showed
them on the rake. New Idea rake was 4 bolt.
 
(quoted from post at 12:03:47 09/17/21) New Idea 402 meets your description, except not sure on the wheel bolts.
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I have an old New Idea rake, like the one pictured.

When I compare that to the Minni Mo rake, that the OP's rake turned out to be, I notice something that I never really thought about.

One difference with the New Idea is that the back tires of the rake are even. Just about every other rolling bar rake has an offset stance. The advantage of the New Idea's even stance, is that is that the drive shaft between the two back wheels is straight, or close to it.

New Holland and other brands have an appreciable angle to that drive shaft. The Minnie Mo in the picture is really pronounced. Look at the angle of the u-joints!

On my New Idea that I got for a few hundred bucks at auction... that even stance means that there is also a disadvantage though, in that, one of the top arches is really long, and it's prone to cracking/breaking. Mine was already welded when I got it, and I've had to repair it another time myself.

I wonder if other brands went to the offset stance, in order to keep both arches short.

This post was edited by lastcowboy32 on 10/18/2021 at 07:36 am.
 

I made a little diagram of what happens... on the New Idea... the arch on the right has the weight of the rake frame fairly close to the front. Then there is a long, straight section, before the bend down to the tire.

The weight of the frame and the drag of the back tire... over many cycles of bouncing and such... cracks the long straight section of the arch.


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