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IH 430 Baler issues

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8N Tim

06-10-2021 21:17:14




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Last winter I picked up an old IH 430 small square baler. Yesterday I baled a very small field and it made 35 nice heavy tight bales. This evening I started baling a 40 acre field, hit went through the first 15 bales and then it started messing up on the knots on the left side. I had to flip the knotter up and dig a Birdsnest out of baler twine off of the bill hook. I was able to make another five or seven more bales and after that it did the same thing again. Any ideas on what I need to do to fix it?

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8N Tim

06-12-2021 06:58:07




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 Re: IH 430 Baler issues in reply to 8N Tim, 06-10-2021 21:17:14  



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SVcummins

06-11-2021 21:56:28




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 Re: IH 430 Baler issues in reply to 8N Tim, 06-10-2021 21:17:14  
I have a 440 all twine . I love it . Id looosen the bill hook tongue tension off About one nut flat maybe two . Make sure no grooves or spots on the bill hook



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8N Tim

06-11-2021 22:28:21




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 Re: IH 430 Baler issues in reply to SVcummins, 06-11-2021 21:56:28  
I was able to look at the knotters this afternoon and I cant see any wear or grooves on anything. The paint is still on everything looks like baler hasnt had many bales through it. Unfortunately the bill hook tensioner bolt was already backed off so the nut was flush. I did loosen it couple of turns and that helped enough that I was able to get about 30 or 40 bales before it got all bound up again. It has just the plain cheap orange twine that everyone sells in it and Im sure the twine has been sitting in the baler for at least a year or two. I was thinking about going down to the New Holland dealer and getting some of the nice softer yellow twine to see if that helps. I would try sisal if I knew it would work but I know its also not the greatest thing if youre storing bales outside

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Paul swpa

06-11-2021 20:57:00




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 Re: IH 430 Baler issues in reply to 8N Tim, 06-10-2021 21:17:14  
Check twine tension, the complete twine routing system - did the spring holding twine between twine box and needles break? Very little tension when using plastic (3lb., 6lb. somewhere in there I'd have to look again for certain).
Check the little razor blade knife, maybe even flip it over helps sometimes.
Check the needle dimensions, laying twine in the disc correctly, correct height when raised, etc.
Check keeper blade tension, is a measured spring dimension.
Keeper helper spring broken or missing?
And of course check billhook over.
I'd bet it's a twine tension issue or the twine knife. Hope this helps some, Paul.

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Loosehandle

06-11-2021 16:39:16




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 Re: IH 430 Baler issues in reply to 8N Tim, 06-10-2021 21:17:14  
Try sisal.



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derwen1959

06-11-2021 10:21:53




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 Re: IH 430 Baler issues in reply to 8N Tim, 06-10-2021 21:17:14  
You have one of the best balers ever made... as suggested try string knife for edge also check eye in needle for wear , what is really needed is empty baler then trip knotters while someone is pulling string and observing



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random

06-11-2021 09:50:55




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 Re: IH 430 Baler issues in reply to 8N Tim, 06-10-2021 21:17:14  
If these are the same knotters as on the McCormick IH #45
I had some similar problems. My observations were:

-- "even if it is threaded right, pull out the twine and rethread it." "When you do, don't just reach in there like I did the first time, get a good light and crawl under there where you can see what you're doing. The fingers have several different 'ins and outs' for the twine to follow and they have to be right." My experience in going from the 45 to a New Holland was that the 45 had a much more complicated twine path so I'd say if you're used to the New Holland pay extra attention to this.

-- Twine knives need to be sharp, like razor sharp if possible. Mine were pretty much worn out.

-- Twine knives have little shims to hold them at the right angle. If they get loose or the bolts come out the knotter will not work.

Again, if it is like the 45 the knotters are very dependent on the previous bale pulling the knot off the knotter.
Having said that, I share the general consensus low opinion of that old knotter design and have upgraded to a New Holland which is much less troublesome. I think my record on the 45 was something like 35 consecutive bales without a miss, but usually 8 was about the limit.
Hope that helps a little.

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Paul swpa

06-11-2021 20:36:59




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 Re: IH 430 Baler issues in reply to random, 06-11-2021 09:50:55  
Completely different knotter from the originals on the 47 we had. Ran this knotter style last few years on the 47 and the same ones are on the 440.



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DeltaSteve

06-11-2021 07:27:13




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 Re: IH 430 Baler issues in reply to 8N Tim, 06-10-2021 21:17:14  
Dull twine knife;rough/grooved bill hook..... You need to order an owners manual.ASAP. A baler knotter is too complicated to just 'wing it',especially for a 'newby.Order from Binder Books. Less than 40 bucks.



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8N Tim

06-11-2021 09:30:28




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 Re: IH 430 Baler issues in reply to DeltaSteve, 06-11-2021 07:27:13  
Yes, I ordered a manual for it I couple days ago so hopefully I should get that next week. Im definitely not new to Hay. I just have never used a baler this old Im used to the newer New Holland balers and knotters. This model has the original IH knotters before the redesign and they seem to be in pretty good shape however they are a completely different design from what I am used to.



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